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re: You're starting a franchise. Choose one: Prime LeBron or Prime Shaq
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:11 pm to shel311
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:11 pm to shel311
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You probably thinking Kobe dragging this Lakers team to a 25-29 record is super impressive, so...
Is Kobe in his prime now? Is he playing in the sucky eastern conference from 5 years ago?
Thanks for complimenting a guy in his 17th season by still subconsciously holding him to the highest standard possible
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Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:12 pm to KillerNut9
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Oh the good ole' prime Shaq days, Nothing more hilarious to watch him take 4 dribbles to back his man down and just dunk the shite out of him.
They added that play to NBA2K where when you're backing the guy down in the post and he just falls over just because of Shaq
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:12 pm to Lester Earl
I'm sure these numbers can be parsed down, but LeBron has put up better single season PER numbers than Shaq -- LeBron's best three seasons are better than Shaq's best season. No doubt the rule changes, changes in the pace of game and Shaq's atrocious FT shooting factor in, but it's something to consider for those who'd take Shaq because he's a dominant big man and thus perceived as more efficient.
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Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:12 pm to SabiDojo
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I want second chance points (so, rebounds)
Lebron gets a ton
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and a player that shoots a high percentage shot.
What's he shooting like 56% from the floor this year?
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Shaq did what he wanted. There was no discussion.
This I agree with
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Give me Shaq in his prime, and I'm winning championships with Sebastian Telfair as PG.
mmmm maybe
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:13 pm to KillerNut9
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Oh the good ole' prime Shaq days, Nothing more hilarious to watch him take 4 dribbles to back his man down and just dunk the shite out of him.
That is part of what made him so dominant. Everyone on the court, everyone in the arena, and everyone watching on TV knew exactly what was going to happen when he got the ball, and he did it anyway.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:13 pm to theunknownknight
quote:Not relevant.
Is Kobe in his prime now?
Always bringing up stuff that has zero to do with the conversation.
Always.
Is what Kobe doing this year as a leader of the lakers impressive?
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:13 pm to shel311
Let's pretend Kobe is dead.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:14 pm to Tiger1242
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and a player that shoots a high percentage shot.
What's he shooting like 56% from the floor this year?
When I mean take a high percentage shot, I mean from where they are on the floor. Centers take high percentage shots because of their position on the court.
Like I said, it's about your philosophy of basketball. I guess I'm a little old school.
This post was edited on 2/15/13 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:14 pm to shel311
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I'm 100% certain you've been saying on this board that Lebron has hit his prime and wouldn't get better for a couple of seasons now, and yet you're laughing at this guy?
Par for the course.
His career high in PER came 4 years ago.
BIRDIE!!!!
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:15 pm to theunknownknight
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His career high in PER came 4 years ago.
nice try.
Is what Kobe doing this year as a leader of the lakers impressive?
This post was edited on 2/15/13 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:15 pm to SabiDojo
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Give me Shaq in his prime, and I'm winning championships with Sebastian Telfair as PG.
Shaq had Penny Hardaway at PG & couldnt do that. So yea.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:16 pm to shel311
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Always bringing up stuff that has zero to do with the conversation.
I didn't bring him up
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:17 pm to Lester Earl
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Shaq had Penny Hardaway at PG & couldnt do that. So yea.
Lester, it wasn't supposed to be a literal statement.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:18 pm to shel311
nice TRY? I just pulled the stat you fap to and you get all butthurt
Considering Jordan never even MADE it to 17 seasons, I'd say yeah.
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Is what Kobe doing this year as a leader of the lakers impressive?
Considering Jordan never even MADE it to 17 seasons, I'd say yeah.
This post was edited on 2/15/13 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:18 pm to KillerNut9
quote:Which is why i'd take Lebron in this era of basketball.
Oh the good ole' prime Shaq days, Nothing more hilarious to watch him take 4 dribbles to back his man down and just dunk the shite out of him.
Zones have killed that style. You just can't dump the ball into the post and let guys back their men all the way under the rim, anymore.
Big men have basically turned into guys that wait for dump offs from players driving the lane.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:20 pm to Lester Earl
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Shaq had Penny Hardaway at PG & couldnt do that. So yea.
I know...with all this Shaq hyperbole in this thread...I was starting to wonder what titles am I missing that he won before Kobe/Phil and Co. with the Lakers?
LeBron is contemporary and he's easier to nitpick...Shaq is being a little mythologized. This is a close question and more about preference in shaping your team.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:21 pm to SabiDojo
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When I mean take a high percentage shot, I mean from where they are on the floor. Centers take high percentage shots because of their position on the court.
No I understand, but the reason you like high percentage shots is because they go in at a high percentage. 56% is a high percentage and a lot of those are in the paint anyway
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:21 pm to theunknownknight
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Considering Jordan never even MADE it to 17 seasons, I'd say yeah.
What does THAT have to do with anything.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:21 pm to SabiDojo
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When I mean take a high percentage shot, I mean from where they are on the floor. Centers take high percentage shots because of their position on the court.
Like I said, it's about your philosophy of basketball. I guess I'm a little old school.
well considering Shaq's poor free throw shooting, their TS% (true shooting percentage) are nearly identical.
Let's throw in the fact that Lebron, on average, gets 7 assists per game, its easy to come to the conclusion that Lebron is creating more points for his team than Shaq is, with the same amount of efficiency,
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:22 pm to Tiger1242
Fair enough.
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