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Ackman vs Icahn = No Fun For Pershing Investors
Posted on 2/15/13 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 2/15/13 at 4:23 pm
Icahn Squeezes Ackman With Big Stake In Herbalife
quote:Kick a dog, and you might just get bitten. Ackman could well be 100% right, but he and his investors are set to get crushed.
Forbes
Carl Icahn's Herbalife Battle Against Bill Ackman Is Probably Not 'Fun' For Pershing Square's Investors
by Nathan Vardi
2/15/2013
During their epic CNBC showdown, hedge fund manager William Ackman almost seemed to be daring Carl Icahn, saying “he can try to scare my investors, which it sounds like he is attempting to do. We take prudent risk at Pershing Square.”
Icahn might be scaring some of the investors in Ackman’s Pershing Square hedge funds this morning. Shares of Herbalife soared by more than 10% in Friday morning trading in New York after Icahn disclosed a big 13% stake, which includes shares underlying call options, in the controversial nutritional supplements maker. Icahn, whose personal net worth is far greater than the $11 billion Ackman manages at Pershing Square, is set to appear on CNBC on Friday to further talk up his position.
This is a very serious situation for Ackman, who in December disclosed a $1 billion short position in Herbalife. He has said in recent weeks that he has not covered a share. Herbalife’s shares are now up by 30% or so in 2013, which is certainly putting downward pressure on Ackman’s fund performance early in 2013 while the U.S. stock market continues to rise.
Investors who bet on Ackman’s $11 billion hedge fund were attracted to his big and bold bets, but it’s hard to imagine they anticipated their investment would be targeted by Icahn, a legendary 77-year-old trader who is known for playing rough and tumble in financial markets. It’s unlikely that Icahn was in their risk/reward calculation. Icahn returned the money he managed for outside investors last year and now only bets money belonging to himself and his employees.
In their CNBC deathmatch, Icahn speculated that if somebody tenders for Herbalife Ackman could be in trouble. “If that happens that stock could rush to a hundred,” Icahn said. “What the hell does Ackman do? Ask him. He is right here on the phone.” Ackman did not flinch and responded: “Carl, you want to bid for the company, go ahead and bid for the company. We don’t think any person will write a check for five or $6 billion to buy a business we believe is fraudulent.”
But on Thursday Icahn said he wanted to meet with Herbalife’s management “regarding the business and strategic alternatives to enhance shareholder value, such as a recapitalization or a going private-transaction.”
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Posted on 2/15/13 at 4:33 pm to NC_Tigah
Olam is still fending off Muddy Waters as well.
It seems very difficult to get the timing of a big short just right--especially in an environment flush with low interest rates and excess liquidity everywhere.
It seems very difficult to get the timing of a big short just right--especially in an environment flush with low interest rates and excess liquidity everywhere.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 6:57 am to Doc Fenton
I hope that prick Ackmangets gets crushed.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 7:42 am to Janky
I'm on Team Ackman all the way.
Icahn is a self-righteous unhinged douchebag who deserves to get taken down.
Plus, it's always good to root for the honest short sellers, with the sole exception being in the midst of a banking panic, since in that case the taxpayers are the ones who are going to lose.
Icahn is a self-righteous unhinged douchebag who deserves to get taken down.
Plus, it's always good to root for the honest short sellers, with the sole exception being in the midst of a banking panic, since in that case the taxpayers are the ones who are going to lose.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 10:43 am to Janky
My gut tells me Ackman is on to something. But he's got a tiger by the tail in Icahn. Tenuous at best and his staying power will be tested. But if pushed to picka prick . . . I pick Ackman in this battle.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 1:33 pm to Doc Fenton
quote:
I'm on Team Ackman all the way.
Icahn is a self-righteous unhinged $14B net worth douchebag who deserves to get taken down.
Plus, it's always good to root for the honest short sellers, with the sole exception being in the midst of a banking panic, since in that case the taxpayers are the ones who are going to lose.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 3:41 pm to Meauxjeaux
Icahn is a tricky dicky.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 2:09 pm to NC_Tigah
HLF is dancing all over the place today ahead of this afternoon's earnings release. Mostly up all day. Should be an interesting call in the morning. Hoping to collect favorably on a bear call spread.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 3:46 pm to ynlvr
While I by no means like Ackman,
After what Icahn did to TWA. He can burn in a fiery hell.
After what Icahn did to TWA. He can burn in a fiery hell.
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