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Posted on 2/15/13 at 11:39 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
Good luck with your lens flares
I can't defend that. Ever.
I listened to an interview with Abrams and they gave him a hard time about it and he even admitted that he has gotten out of control with it.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 11:52 am to Murray
I don't want this to be completely negative on the film, so, I can say these nice things:
The opening space combat scene was excellent.
Despite no history in the canon for Kirk's father being a starship captain or that he was born on a starship apparently signficantly more advanced than the one he commanded 35 years later, I could accept that as fairly decent opening barrage (literally and figurative) I understand our ADHD society and that you have to grab the audience's attention.
Overall the action sequences were visually and audially stunning
Even though I only watched it on the small screen, I was able to grasp the scope of the vision Abrams wanted for these scenes. The fact that he went down a checklist, "Space Combat, check, car chase, check, freefall sequence, check, planet destruction like in Star Wars? Check and check" is beside the point
Some of the acting performances really leapt out based on effort and the care the actors (if not the screenwriters and director) had for the TOS characters
I single out Quinto and Urban as being the closest to the original characters in their composition, although the material and directing ultimately led to their failure to deliver. However, they get an A (maybe Urban a B+) for effort in this area.
The pacing of the film was pretty even and consistent - there were few jarring moments
The director had a clear vision of action sequence, boring talking, action sequence, boring talking, etc. They were evenly timed and paced, with just enough variety so that there was something for everybody. The timing of the Nimoy scene was spot on - seeing him too early would have reminded us of how good TOS was versus this film - having him too late would have seemed much more like a stunt (which it was, but fairly well executed - I guess I'm grasping at the only thing that really was from TOS in the entire movie).
Satisfied? I said a bunch of good things about the movie.
The opening space combat scene was excellent.
Despite no history in the canon for Kirk's father being a starship captain or that he was born on a starship apparently signficantly more advanced than the one he commanded 35 years later, I could accept that as fairly decent opening barrage (literally and figurative) I understand our ADHD society and that you have to grab the audience's attention.
Overall the action sequences were visually and audially stunning
Even though I only watched it on the small screen, I was able to grasp the scope of the vision Abrams wanted for these scenes. The fact that he went down a checklist, "Space Combat, check, car chase, check, freefall sequence, check, planet destruction like in Star Wars? Check and check" is beside the point
Some of the acting performances really leapt out based on effort and the care the actors (if not the screenwriters and director) had for the TOS characters
I single out Quinto and Urban as being the closest to the original characters in their composition, although the material and directing ultimately led to their failure to deliver. However, they get an A (maybe Urban a B+) for effort in this area.
The pacing of the film was pretty even and consistent - there were few jarring moments
The director had a clear vision of action sequence, boring talking, action sequence, boring talking, etc. They were evenly timed and paced, with just enough variety so that there was something for everybody. The timing of the Nimoy scene was spot on - seeing him too early would have reminded us of how good TOS was versus this film - having him too late would have seemed much more like a stunt (which it was, but fairly well executed - I guess I'm grasping at the only thing that really was from TOS in the entire movie).
Satisfied? I said a bunch of good things about the movie.
This post was edited on 2/15/13 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/15/13 at 12:13 pm to Hoodoo Man
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He wants us to hate it.
That's not true. I just hate it and I have good reasons. It's not because I'm old or cynical. The movie just isn't Star Trek, regardless of what they call it. It would be unrecognizable to Roddenberry.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 12:32 pm to Ace Midnight
I really enjoyed it. I used to watch TOS reruns when I was a kid and loved the series but for a feature film I think the new one is so much better than anything that came before it. I-V relied on the strength of the relationships, I recently watched V and the plot was ludicrous but the jokes and interaction between Kirk, Spock, and Bones had me cracking up because it was so natural. The chemistry and relationships with the new cast will get there, they don't have 20 years of working together.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 12:38 pm to Ace Midnight
Ok, I am old enough to call myself a fan of TOS...it was in syndication 2 years before I was born, but my whole family watched it weekly, so it was an integral part of my childhood. In high school, TOS was aired at like 330 for a while...and I think TNG was around 430?
Took me a while to give TNG a chance, but was into it bigtime through college (My room in frat house was TNG weekly for new episodes)Patrick Stewart did it for me, for sure. I never followed any other series, but enjoyed the few episodes of DSN I did catch.
I never took offense to JJA's film, but didn't go see it in the theatre like my older brother did. In fact, he brought me his DVD copy to see it for the first time, and I really, really liked it, cuz I had ZERO expectations. In retrospect, it can be viewed as a Karaoke version, and I can see that, but I liked that JJA took it in his own direction, but remained loyal to alot of the history of TOS in doing so. He sort of made a Star Wars/Star Trek mash-up, IMO, but it worked for me. The overt de-construction of Kirk was interesting, though unoriginal...He could have made a re-hash Rodenberry production, which would have been offensive to me, for sure, but he didn't. In fact, he stayed as far away from it as possible, which I respect.
So in conclusion, JJA's take was a positive for me, Chris Pine included - It beat the shite out of what, 5? the "save the whales" bullshite? That one still makes me gag to think about it (except for the "A double dumb-arse on you," quote by fat Kirk. Priceless)
Took me a while to give TNG a chance, but was into it bigtime through college (My room in frat house was TNG weekly for new episodes)Patrick Stewart did it for me, for sure. I never followed any other series, but enjoyed the few episodes of DSN I did catch.
I never took offense to JJA's film, but didn't go see it in the theatre like my older brother did. In fact, he brought me his DVD copy to see it for the first time, and I really, really liked it, cuz I had ZERO expectations. In retrospect, it can be viewed as a Karaoke version, and I can see that, but I liked that JJA took it in his own direction, but remained loyal to alot of the history of TOS in doing so. He sort of made a Star Wars/Star Trek mash-up, IMO, but it worked for me. The overt de-construction of Kirk was interesting, though unoriginal...He could have made a re-hash Rodenberry production, which would have been offensive to me, for sure, but he didn't. In fact, he stayed as far away from it as possible, which I respect.
So in conclusion, JJA's take was a positive for me, Chris Pine included - It beat the shite out of what, 5? the "save the whales" bullshite? That one still makes me gag to think about it (except for the "A double dumb-arse on you," quote by fat Kirk. Priceless)
Posted on 2/15/13 at 12:39 pm to sbr2
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I recently watched V and the plot was ludicrous but the jokes and interaction between Kirk, Spock, and Bones had me cracking up because it was so natural.
And that is clearly, demonstrably the worst of the pure TOS films. TMP was ponderous, but all of the elements were there. The "trilogy" was just as you would want a trio of films based on a television series to go. TUC was a great blend of the best elements of TNG with TOS and the film medium. The best "standalone" of the TOS films. Most of the TNG films were done with a television sense of scope and vision, which is why they ultimately fell flat. I liked all of them, except Nemesis. I felt that part of the Abrams' plot was revisiting the issues in Nemesis. (For that matter, I think Cameron lifted whole sections of Insurrection's plot for Avatar.)
Posted on 2/15/13 at 12:52 pm to Ace Midnight
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And that is clearly, demonstrably the worst of the pure TOS films.
Yes, it had a lot wrong with it (I dont think Doohan ever forgave Shatner for having Scotty walk into the bulkhead), but it had its moments. "What does God want with a starship?". Is a quintessential Kirk moment.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 1:19 pm to Ace Midnight
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I don't care. I watched it. I wanted to like it. I hated it.
=/=
quote:
To be fair, they did force me to watch the stupid thing after I had decided to pass. I tried to walk out after 10 minutes, then they made me watch the entire thing in silence (I guess I let them make me, if you want to really carry the whole "personal responsibility" thing to its logical conclusion.)
You went into it wanting to hate it, admit it.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 1:23 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
It's not because I'm old or cynical.
You just happen to be these things separately, away from Star Trek, right?
Posted on 2/15/13 at 1:31 pm to BaddestAndvari
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You went into it wanting to hate it, admit it.
Let's put it into perspective. I was in Iraq when the film was in theaters. I saw all the promos starting to hit before I went. I saw the trailers and said, "I'm going to give this one a chance - Kirk and Spock young again is a great idea."
Then the reviews started coming in - and they were good. I read them, but didn't see what I wanted to see. Just as I expected, it was all Transformered up, with only a superficial resemblence to TOS. THEN the family (all TOS fans, by the way), insisted that was not the case. I told them I didn't wish anything ill on the movie, but that I was just going to pass. They insisted. I looked up a couple of specific reviews on Quinto and Pegg's performance. "Okay", I said, "I'll give it a chance. I wanted to like it when the trailers were out. The family knows how I am. Surely, they wouldn't be pushing me to watch a film with TOS characters if it was terrible, right? The Spock looks right. I'm not sure about this 'alternate reality', thing, but Abrams likes the plot twists - maybe it will be like the mirror device or some of the time travel paradoxes."
I...did...not...want...to...hate...it. Why would I want to hate it? I like those characters most of all in the Trek universe.
But I do hate it, very much.
This post was edited on 2/15/13 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 2/15/13 at 1:35 pm to Ace Midnight
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I...did...not...want...to...hate...it. Why would I want to hate it? I like those characters most of all in the Trek universe.
But I do hate it, very much.
k, good enough for me.
Sorry you are so alone on your opinion, I'll help to keep this on the first page for you. Maybe someone will come around to wallow in the mud with you soon.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 1:39 pm to BaddestAndvari
quote:
You just happen to be these things separately, away from Star Trek, right?
As much as possible.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 3:33 pm to Ace Midnight
My ranking:
Latest Movie (2009)
Old movies
TNG
TOS
Newer (post 80's) movies
DS9
Other
Latest Movie (2009)
Old movies
TNG
TOS
Newer (post 80's) movies
DS9
Other
Posted on 2/15/13 at 5:43 pm to USMCTiger03
quote:
Latest Movie (2009)
Old movies
TNG
TOS
Newer (post 80's) movies
DS9
Other
I guess we will just have to respectfully disagree.
My ranking would be:
TOS
TOS Films (1 through 6)
DS9
TNG/TNG Films (Tie)
VOY
ENT
The terrible, terrible 2009 J.J. Abrams Star Trek film.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 5:48 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:i'm a pretty big sci fi guy but never got into star trek. I downloaded the first season of TOS a few weeks ago and watched the first episode. I know it is really old and production value doesn't always hold up well over time but if I didn't really enjoy the first episode should I give it up or will it get better?
Ace Midnight
Posted on 2/15/13 at 5:56 pm to Ace Midnight
I like it because I read the comics which explain Nero.
He was being helped by Captain Data of the 1701-E in stopping the supernova. The Vulcans had made peace with the Romulans because of Spock. Who had agreed to fly the warp 12 ship into the supernova.
It isn't a reboot, its more similar to the mirror universe.
I want to read more about the Mirror universe. In a Mirror Darkly was a great episode set, Enterprise could have been so much better if not for the time travelers. And F the Xindi for destroying Florida, they could have at least taken out Alabama, but no they had to destroy all of Florida.
He was being helped by Captain Data of the 1701-E in stopping the supernova. The Vulcans had made peace with the Romulans because of Spock. Who had agreed to fly the warp 12 ship into the supernova.
It isn't a reboot, its more similar to the mirror universe.
I want to read more about the Mirror universe. In a Mirror Darkly was a great episode set, Enterprise could have been so much better if not for the time travelers. And F the Xindi for destroying Florida, they could have at least taken out Alabama, but no they had to destroy all of Florida.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:05 pm to Fearthehat0307
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i'm a pretty big sci fi guy but never got into star trek. I downloaded the first season of TOS a few weeks ago and watched the first episode. I know it is really old and production value doesn't always hold up well over time but if I didn't really enjoy the first episode should I give it up or will it get better?
are you talking about the episode that Pike was the captain and Shatner was nowhere to be found?
IMO it mos def gets stronger after that one. Some are actually really damn good while others are cheese ball fluff. Overall I think its worth a watch.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:13 pm to Ace Midnight
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Despite no history in the canon for Kirk's father being a starship captain or that he was born on a starship apparently signficantly more advanced than the one he commanded 35 years later, I could accept that as fairly decent opening barrage (literally and figurative) I understand our ADHD society and that you have to grab the audience's attention.
The TOS happened in a world where the Earth faced a giant galactic war with the Romulan Star Empire.
The Romulans employed devices which took control of federation ships. The solution was to go to older technology so that way they couldn't hack the ships.
This is why the Ships in Enterprise were more advanced looking that the TOS, yet the TOS had better weapons and Superimpellors.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:14 pm to Dr RC
I would tell anyone to watch "Babel" and the Khan episode. Though the Gary Mitchel episode it solid as well.
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