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Yeah, our issue is that it doesn't exist.


How do feel about easements, servitudes, rights of way, land covenants, etc?






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How do feel about easements, servitudes, rights of way, land covenants, etc?


I am not against private property. I don't know why people think this.

Now do you want to argue ideology? It's complex. I do believe that people should have the ability to have a private domicile in which they are caretakers of that area, but to precurse that we would need someone to grant us that right. Rights can only come from a social contract, and one that is actually abided by. I don't believe people should have a right to do anything they want just because it is deemed "private." That's a long tangent, but it gets back to this: I think most things should be public, mainly including knowledge that benefits common man.

Now about land, I also believe a man should only be able to be a private caretaker of what we can physically protect and provide for by himself or through his family. Why? Because people care more when they have a vested interest in the land.

Bureaucracy only complicates things. Let's talk about eminent domain. How can you, and who is in charge of, determining that your property is best interest of serving the community? Communities should be in charge of determining uses for common land. I don't believe lawmakers from Lake Charles should vote on stuff that happens in the river parishes. They have no clue what goes on there. Now imagine that multiplied by the whole US. We really have issues creating laws and determining whats best.






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Gmorgan4982
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So have we all figured out that intellectual property is kinda made up, like God. It's like trying to prove God doesn't exist. Hard to prove a negative.





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MrCarton
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How do feel about easements, servitudes, rights of way, land covenants, etc?



That is a very good question. Pertinent for the thread IMO. I don't have the time tonight but I think that my personal philosophy of ownership answers the questions raised by this topic in a consistent manner. Thanks for this post because it has me thinking.






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MrCarton
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intellectual property is kinda made up, like God


I think of it like this. Imagine a glass measuring cup with lines annotating various measurements. One "cup" of water is an idea, not a reality. The glass is real, the water is real, the "cup" is a concept.

Perhaps that is stupid, but imagine being the inventor of this standard measure and trying to explain it to someone else...






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ForeLSU
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The glass is real, the water is real, the "cup" is a concept.


Going back to the OP though, the question is whether a developed and published electronic work, of which the use of is offered under an agreed upon license, is real or a concept.






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joshnorris14
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he question is whether a developed and published electronic work, of which the use of is offered under an agreed upon license, is real or a concept


This goes out the window when someone torrents it. They aren't licensing it anymore, it's theirs. They weren't in a contract with the creator.






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LSU6262
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The Pirate Bay Away from Keyboard Documentary





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joshnorris14
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The real heroes of our society.





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Paluka
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I totally disagree with your point of view. I understand the philophical position but to me that is all it is at this point. These folks are not heroes.


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joshnorris14
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I find that standing up for what is morally right in the face of such glaring resistance (The largest government in the history of the world)is an absolute heroic act.

Also, it's not only a philosophical position thanks to sites like tPB.

Long Live The Pirate Bay!



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Paluka
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So this is about morals AND Intellectual Property? Lol. Wonderfully absurd! Who is setting the moral standard Josh? Have you ever invented something and had someone else use it without your permission to make money and cause you to lose money?





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So this is about morals AND Intellectual Property? Lol. Wonderfully absurd! Who is setting the moral standard Josh? Have you ever invented something and had someone else use it without your permission to make money and cause you to lose money?


Here we go again






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joshnorris14
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So this is about morals AND Intellectual Property?


Well in my opinion, property righs and morals are one in the same.

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Who is setting the moral standard Josh?


Well, my moral standard determines who I think is a hero. I'm not proposing an objective definition for a hero.

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Have you ever invented something and had someone else use it without your permission to make money and cause you to lose money?


No, but I don't see what that has to do with this topic. I'm not talking about my "IP" rights being infringed upon.






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Paluka
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Not really. I've read this whole thread and did my own reading on it as well. I simply will disagree with this position.





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MrCarton
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This goes out the window when someone torrents it. They aren't licensing it anymore, it's theirs. They weren't in a contract with the creator.



This.

The contract does NOT involve the 3rd party user, so any action against the torrent downloader would be for IP theft, which is what I disagree with. The IP was given to the world when the product was released. They can't have and eat the same cake.






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CollegeFBRules
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Here we go again


You know why it keeps coming back to this point, don't you?






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Paluka
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But you truly do not have any IP rights do you Josh? If you've had it done to you I do not believe you'd support this position.

Era: I actually am enjoying this thread. Cheers



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MrCarton
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Have you ever invented something and had someone else use it without your permission to make money and cause you to lose money?


Well I think josh accounted for personal responsibility when it comes to protection of ideas. So if he were to tell someone or not protect his idea, then he has nobody to blame but himself. Likewise if he entered into a contract with a second party to disclose this secret for a fee, and 2nd party discloses the secret to 3rd party, josh has no legal recourse with 3rd party and his secret is gone forever.
This is why many open source models are being used today, because of the impossibility of keeping this information and selling it at the same time. Can't have and eat the same cake.

My personal arguments against IP rights are based around the impossible nature of ensuring them to begin with. We have too cumbersome a system to add this additional load as it is. Morality of the issue needn't be addressed because a cursory glance eliminated the concept as feasible from the get go.



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Paluka
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So lets say that an architect designs a house. The design is copyrighted and the buyer (homeowner) agrees that the design is the architects property (in writing). You get the picture. Everyone agrees in contract and legally that it is the sole property of the architect. The design is then used without permission by another architect. What would be the position on this?





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