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peopleschamp
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I'm interested to see what the reaction of the Catholic Liberal groups will be like for the next couple of months. I'm sure they think its some coverup and they think they really caused the Pope to resign and then the college of cardinals choose some just as conservative Cardinal to become Pope, and they will be just as miserable as before.

There is no such thing as liberal or conservative Catholic groups. There are only orthodox Catholics. You either accept the faith or you don't. I realize people don't accept all aspects of the faith. In those cases they are believing what they want and not what the church teaches. The Catholic Church doesn't care about what these so called "liberal" groups are saying. It's irrelevant.






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catholictigerfan
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There is no such thing as liberal or conservative Catholic groups. There are only orthodox Catholics. You either accept the faith or you don't. I realize people don't accept all aspects of the faith. In those cases they are believing what they want and not what the church teaches. The Catholic Church doesn't care about what these so called "liberal" groups are saying. It's irrelevant.


There are movments in the Catholic Church and what I'm mainly talking about is liturgical movements.

There is the Restoring the Pre-conciliar which pretty much they want stuff to go back to pre-vatican II. This includes SSPX and groups like that I would be very very shocked if anyone from this group would be even considered.

There is the Reform of the Reform, this accpets Vat 2 but opposes alot of the way it was applied Pope Benedict is in this group, and if the movement of the Liturgy continues to go the way Benedict wants it to the next pope would have to agree with this. I suspect that the next pope will be from this group.

There is the incultrurating the reform, which is pretty much taking things from cultures and applying to the liturgy but more on the extreme side I believe.

Lastly there is the Re-Catholicizing the Liturgy This is stuff like Primacy of spiritual over structural along with other things. Don't know to much detail about it. If you know the name Hans Urs von Balthasar he is one of the main figures behind this movement.

I don't know what some of the Cardinals fit under which category. But I suspect it won't be a real radical group like the pre-conciler or not even inculturizaiton. I suspect that the next Pope will be Reform of the Reform or RE-Catholicizing. This may not sound like a huge deal in the Church but I think it means a whole lot, Pope Benedict did alot to try to improve the liturgy and the next Pope could either continue his effort which I think he will or he will go against what Pope Benedict did. With all of the new translations of liturgies and readings and all of that coming out, Liturgy will be a big part of the next papcy.

Another thing no Papal Candidate will not be orthodox, but in the Church there are many issues that are kinda muddy and not clear, who we elect could have an impact on some of these issues. Like evolution, unborn babies who are aborted, some deep theolgoical issues I probably couldn't really get into. My point is that it does matter who is the next pope and it will have a an impact on the Church, and the Liberal groups in the church will try to influence things which they can't.







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Leading Latin American Canidates

Odilo Scherer 63 Sao Paolo, Brazil



Leonardo Sandri 69 Italian-Argentine




Note: In 2005, following the election of then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Benedict XVI, it was widely reported that on each of the previous four ballots, Argentina's Jorge Mario Bergoglio received the second-highest number of votes.



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Note: In 2005, following the election of then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Benedict XVI, it was widely reported that on each of the previous four ballots, Argentina's Jorge Mario Bergoglio received the second-highest number of votes.



there is no way to verify this because I believe they burn the ballots after they vote.






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Bestbank Tiger
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Burke is the only American. The media favorites will be Schonborn and Tangle.


Why isn't Wuerl under consideration? He'd be the best of the Americans. He was very aggressive in getting rid of pedos when he was bishop of Pittsburgh.






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There is no way the College of Cardinals will select an American, I'm afraid. If they did it would be nothing short of a miracle.

Heck…I think Adrian IV (1154-1159) was the only Pope from an English-speaking nation to ever sit in the Chair of St. Peter.



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The Dark Horse






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There is no way the College of Cardinals will select an American, I'm afraid. If they did it would be nothing short of a miracle.


Agree. I'm just wondering why Wuerl isn't the favorite among the Americans. For the most part the US bishops are a sorry lot.






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TN Bhoy
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Odilo Scherer 63 Sao Paolo, Brazil



0% chance. He's done a pretty terrible job in Brasil.

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Argentina's Jorge Mario Bergoglio received the second-highest number of votes.



I'm calling B.S.


On Weurl, even though OSV is going to try to push him, he's been surpassed by Dolan and Abp. Chaput in the US, isn't thought of as a genius (unlike Burke), and he's not very well liked. The only chance for an American pope, as I said earlier in the thread, is Burke, mainly because he's not though of as an American and he's Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura. Even so, he's only got about a 5% chance.






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On Weurl, even though OSV is going to try to push him, he's been surpassed by Dolan and Abp. Chaput in the US, isn't thought of as a genius (unlike Burke), and he's not very well liked. The only chance for an American pope, as I said earlier in the thread, is Burke, mainly because he's not though of as an American and he's Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura. Even so, he's only got about a 5% chance.


Thanks. You and CTF seem to be the two members who follow this most closely.






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Benedict has hinted he wants an African successor. What kind of stroke would Benedict have in pushing through someone like Peter Turkson?

PoweDaddy.com

Has 3-1 odds



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Wally Sparks
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Why isn't Wuerl under consideration? He'd be the best of the Americans. He was very aggressive in getting rid of pedos when he was bishop of Pittsburgh.


Wuerl (and every other U.S. cardinal) won't get it because most of the other red hats view an American Pope as overreach by the world's lone superpower. Otherwise Wuerl would be a good choice, though he's a bit older than most of the front runners.






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TN Bhoy


What do you think of Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi's chances?






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PaddyPower.com

Odds

Cardinal Peter Turkson (Ghana)
3/1

Cardinal Marc Ouellet (Canada)
7/2

Cardinal Francis Arinze (Nigeria)
9/2

Cardinal Leonardo Sandri (Argentina)
6/1

Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga (Honduras)
7/1

Archbishop Angelo Scola (Italy)
8/1

Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi (Italy)
8/1

Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco (Italy)
12/1

Cardinal Christoph Schonborn (Austria)
14/1

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone (Italy)
16/1

Cardinal Claudio Hummes (Brazil)
20/1

Cardinal Timothy Dolan (USA)
25/1







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TN Bhoy
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PoweDaddy.com




Their odds (and apparently PaddyPower's) are a joke. Literally, a joke. They've got a few people who aren't even eligible to be Cardinal-electors above a number of people. There's a better chance that Baselios Cleemis gets picked than one of them.

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Benedict has hinted he wants an African successor



Where?

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Peter Kodwo Appiah?




Turkson is a possibility, but I wouldn't bet on it.


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Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone (Italy)



0. Absolutely 0. NONE.

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Gianfranco Ravasi


Doubtful.



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BeeFense5
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A lot of media seem to believe that Dolan has better odds than Burke which I seriously doubt.

ETA: I do not think a US cardinal has a shot.



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TN Bhoy
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A lot of media seem to believe that Dolan has better odds than Burke which I seriously doubt.


New York bias. Listening to secular media on this will be next to worthless.






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Wally Sparks
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A lot of media seem to believe that Dolan has better odds than Burke which I seriously doubt.


That's probably because most of the networks are HQ'd across the street from St. Patrick's Cathedral and he's the head of the USCCB. I'm sure Dolan's a nice guy, but the closest he's getting to St. Peter's is when he casts his ballot in the conclave.

ETA: TN Bhoy beat me to it.



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BeeFense5
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Listening to secular media on this will be next to worthless.


Yeah, I thought it was a circus after the death of PJPII. Ratzinger didn't seem to be even mentioned during those times before the elect.






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Cardinal Marc Ouellet (Canada)
7/2


Canadian before American

Eta: Just reading his resume, he seems brilliant



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