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Tbobby 
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| re: Recent discussion of DAO hammerless ccw (Posted on 2/7/13 at 8:28 am to Ace Midnight)
The blued looks better to me, but I think the stainless is a more durable finish over the long run, especially if you use a leather holster. The 442 has always been blued to my knowledge.
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rattlebucket 
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| re: Recent discussion of DAO hammerless ccw (Posted on 2/7/13 at 8:58 am to Tbobby)
Good stuff guys. Thanks for the advice.
I'll keep researching but I'm leaning towards the .357
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DownshiftAndFloorIt
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| re: Recent discussion of DAO hammerless ccw (Posted on 2/7/13 at 9:03 am to rattlebucket)
IMO over penetration is only a problem with the .357 if you make it a problem by filling it with the wrong stuff.
Keep in mind you can use .38+p in it, which is not a bad choice at all.
Full power .357s are going to buck and roar a lot, but full power .357 loads are not that common anymore.
Using any of the short barrel loads on the market will give you great results. While you're not getting all you can get out of the mag, you never will be with that short barrel anyway.
Use high quality 125gr jacketed or semi-jacketed hollow points and you won't have an issue. The .357 doesn't really become an over penetrating monster until you get into the 140+gr loads out of 4" or longer barrels.
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| re: Recent discussion of DAO hammerless ccw (Posted on 2/7/13 at 9:13 am to rattlebucket)
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I'll keep researching but I'm leaning towards the .357
I would get the 357. You can always shoot 38sp out of it. But have the options to shoot a full load.
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DownshiftAndFloorIt
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| re: Recent discussion of DAO hammerless ccw (Posted on 2/7/13 at 9:16 am to Nodust)
Also the .357s weigh a little more which will make .38s feel like powderpuff loads.
It makes little sense to buy a .38 these days IMO.
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Nodust
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| re: Recent discussion of DAO hammerless ccw (Posted on 2/7/13 at 9:17 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt)
It's amazing after shooting a dozen 357 the poping off some 38 the difference.
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bapple
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| re: Recent discussion of DAO hammerless ccw (Posted on 2/7/13 at 10:33 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt)
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It makes little sense to buy a .38 these days IMO.
X1000000
If I get a revolver, I will get 357. You can't beat the dual-caliber capability.
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Ace Midnight
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| re: Recent discussion of DAO hammerless ccw (Posted on 2/7/13 at 10:47 am to bapple)
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If I get a revolver, I will get 357. You can't beat the dual-caliber capability.
Once upon a time S&W made one of the lightweight centennials that was very, very light, but not rated for even .38 +P - the gun would handle it but it voided the warranty (and, presumabably if you shot a lot - and who shoots a lightweight snubby "a lot"?, you would eventually spring the frame). I thought it was the original 442, but maybe it was an early Scandium of another model.
IF I intended on carrying only standard pressure .38 special, and a revolver came in with an ounce or two weight savings off the an equivalent .357 magnum - under those exceptionally limited circumstances, I might choose a .38 special - but, that's really 15 to 20 year old thinking. With the options now, the 640, M&P 340, Ruger LCR, to name a few, you can go .357 in a package that is still very light and carryable.
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DownshiftAndFloorIt
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| re: Recent discussion of DAO hammerless ccw (Posted on 2/7/13 at 11:15 am to Ace Midnight)
Yea back in the day a "light" .357 magnum was unheard of. If you wanted a small carry gun you got a snubbie .38 smith or colt, And that was about the extent of your carry options. These days you can get an airweight smith in .357 mag that probably weighs as much as a popcorn fart and (if you enjoy pain) fill it up with full power magnums and blast away.
The .38spl chamber just doesn't make much sense to me anymore unless you have to cut weight as much as possible.
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Tbobby
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| re: Recent discussion of DAO hammerless ccw (Posted on 2/7/13 at 11:21 am to Ace Midnight)
.38 snubbies are smaller, lighter and easier to conceal than .357. Neither of them are any fun to shoot.
If you want a fun, versatile revolver to shoot, get a 4-6" barrel .357. Good luck trying to conceal that.
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DownshiftAndFloorIt
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| re: Recent discussion of DAO hammerless ccw (Posted on 2/7/13 at 11:53 am to Tbobby)
Some people have no problems concealing full size 6 shot revolvers. It requires some wardrobe changes but it can be done apparently.
I personally would like a 5 shot small frame revolver with a 4" barrel. Ruger makes a 4" SP101, but the sights are not very conducive to CC
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bapple
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| re: Recent discussion of DAO hammerless ccw (Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:25 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt)
An XS big dot can fix the sight issue.
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rattlebucket
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| re: Recent discussion of DAO hammerless ccw (Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:35 pm to Ace Midnight)
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and who shoots a lightweight snubby "a lot"?
This was my thought. Im not going to hunt with it. Its simply ccw. At the range i'll shoot it a few times sitting, quick draw, prone, left handed, etc. then its back to 22LR and 223 all day. I wont be blasting 100 rounds at the range.
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bapple
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| re: Recent discussion of DAO hammerless ccw (Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:39 pm to rattlebucket)
22 and 223? Where have you been shopping? 
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rattlebucket
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| re: Recent discussion of DAO hammerless ccw (Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:46 pm to bapple)
Speaking in future tense
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Ace Midnight
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| re: Recent discussion of DAO hammerless ccw (Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:58 pm to rattlebucket)
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This was my thought. Im not going to hunt with it. Its simply ccw. At the range i'll shoot it a few times sitting, quick draw, prone, left handed, etc. then its back to 22LR and 223 all day. I wont be blasting 100 rounds at the range.
Here's an interesting take I saw about the LCR - (and it is almost certainly my next revolver purchase, and I'm recommending it for my youngest) - you can get it in 22LR now - it's a second gun purchase, but it allows (at least in the before times, in the long, long ago when you could buy .22LR in a store and didn't have to go shopping for it much the same way one shops for "weed", or "crank", or whatever the kids are using to get high these days) a significant amount of trigger time with the platform, getting used to the sights and trigger, without burning through so much .38 Special and .357.
Also, in a pinch, it would not be a horrifying choice for a tertiary gun, in a jacket pocket or ankle holster.
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