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Apparently, someone hasn't actually read and understood the BSA policy. No one is forcing any individual troop to accept gay scouts.

But that isn't the truly funny part about this silly controversy. Does anyone really think there are kids who reach scouting age and are proclaiming themselves to be gay? There are gay scouts now.

Tempest in a teapot.






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DawgfaninCa
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I really hope you are trolling here. If not, you are one fricked up individual.

Im arguing that gay 10-year-olds will not be harmful to the boy scouts and you are calling them all twisted? Ok bud.



Don't get your panties twisted in a bunch, pal.

If it's okay for you to call heterosexuals "straights" then it's okay for me to call homosexuals "twisteds".







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DawgfaninCa
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Should women be allowed to serve in the same quarters with men in the military? I mean, there MAY be some random twisted soldier who may take advantage of her when nobody is looking.


Since "twisted" is a term for homosexual like "straight" is a term for heterosexual, why would a twisted male soldier be interested in taking advantage of a female soldier?







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Nuts4LSU
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it opens a whole pandora's box of liabilities. This is going to cause the insurance rates for troops to go through the roof.


Why? What new liabilities are created by not banning gays from membership?






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Nuts4LSU
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churches will either discontinue support for scout troops altogether, or religous parents will not allow their children to participate...


Well, I sure wouldn't make the mistake of underestimating the level of hatred and irrationality of churches and religious people, but I think this would be a little extreme even for them. Religious parents still let their kids go to Disney World and I would be shocked if churches don't support any charities that don't exclude gays. In fact, don't churches claim not to hate gays and to, in fact, allow gays to join their congregations (subject to certain conditions regarding the "practice" of homosexuality), so wouldn't it be unlikely that they would stop supporting Boy Scouts just because the organization allows gays to join?






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Mickey Goldmill
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Since "twisted" is a term for homosexual like "straight" is a term for heterosexual, why would a twisted male soldier be interested in taking advantage of a female soldier?


Yeahhhh definitely trolling. GFY dude.




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Nuts4LSU
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The pressure from the gay community was designed to convince them to change their stance, opening them up to this huge perceived liability,


What liability?






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Nuts4LSU
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I guess being trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, brave, thrifty, clean, and reverent is just un-American these days.


No, but being hateful and homophobic is.






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Nuts4LSU
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If the scouts are going to allow open gay members it opens the door to the Sandusky types flooding the scouts. Now I'm not saying all gays are Sanduskys but all Sanduskys are gay


Ah, there it is. The "gays are pedophiles" argument.

No, all Sanduskys are not gay. Sandusky himself wasn't even gay. He wouldn't be interested in an adult male as a sexual partner. Pedophilia is a completely different "orientation". The gender of the victim (relative to that of the offender) is mostly irrelevant, and a LARGE number of pedophiles abuse children of both genders.

The idea that gay people are ANY more likely to be child molesters than straight people are is just more hate-motivated Christian bull shite.






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Nuts4LSU
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The Catholic Church has dozens of empty buildings in the US (former churches) that evidence the direct opposite of that statement. At some point, you mix a gay leader with young, defenseless boys and you have a recipe for disaster. This is undeniable and has been shown over and over and over




OK, it's obvious you're such a joke that it's pointless to argue with you. Carry on in your stupidity.






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You know what. On second thought, let them in.





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Nuts4LSU
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So assuming the bible or specific Christian values consist of fairy tales and ghost stories then I would assume that you are against the examination of Greek and Roman mythology?


If clearly presented as mythology and not as "alternative theory" or history or fact, sure. I'd be fine with kids looking at Christian mythology the same way as Roman or Greek or other mythology.

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It seems to me that watering down basic principles of right and wrong are causing damage to our society as a who


True. A society needs morality. That's why we need to eliminate religion, so that morality will be possible. It's impossible to have both religion and morality, as each necessarily excludes the other.






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Nuts4LSU
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I see no reason that every person't sexuality (Other than heterosexual) has to be thrown in my face


Every heterosexual's sexuality is thrown in your face. How many of your heterosexual friends conceal the fact that they are married? How many of them are secretive when they go on dates and make sure no one sees them? How many NEVER bring an escort to a party or other function where escorts/guests are invited? How many of your married heterosexual friends maintain separate residences so no one will suspect they are involved with each other? How many of your heterosexual friends claim to vacation alone when in fact they are doing so with their spouses and children? How many of your heterosexual friends introduce their spouse as their "friend" or "roommate" or in-laws as "friends"?

Heterosexuals throw their sexuality in your face every day. Why is it only a problem if people of other orientations do it?






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Boy Scouts as an organization should do whatever they think is in the organizations best interest.

Actions have consequences.






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Nuts4LSU
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it happens. There are tons of court cases to prove it happens


There are way, way, way, way MORE court cases to prove that men molest little girls. WAY more. There are also many court cases to prove that women molest underage boys. So, does that mean that all heterosexuals are child molesters? Does it mean that allowing heterosexuals to be involved in any organization that children of the other gender are involved in is just inviting molestation?

Your problem is that you perceive anything other than heterosexuality as deviant and basically the same. Pedophilia has NOTHING to do with straight or gay sexual orientation. It is its own separate thing, and, as stated previously, frequently involves abuse of children of both genders by the same offender, regardless of the offender's gender.

Is every case of a man molesting a girl or a woman having sex with an underage boy an indictment of all straight people, in your mind? Of course not, because you realize that each straight person is different and pedophilia is totally separate from heterosexuality. Your homophobia and ignorance prevent you from realizing that the same is true of gay people and homosexuality.



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Nuts4LSU
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By "Separation of Church and State" our Founding Fathers meant no one could be forced by the State to worship a specific religion. It doesn't mean religions can't have any involvement in determining government policies.




Wow. Awesome analysis there, Oliver Wendell!







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Paluka
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True. A society needs morality. That's why we need to eliminate religion, so that morality will be possible. It's impossible to have both religion and morality, as each necessarily excludes the other.


So how are these mutually exclusive in your view? Who establishes the moral guidelines? The BSA? The Christians? The Jews? The Muslims? Progressives?






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DawgfaninCa
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By "Separation of Church and State" our Founding Fathers meant no one could be forced by the State to worship a specific religion. It doesn't mean religions can't have any involvement in determining government policies.


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Wow. Awesome analysis there, Oliver Wendell!



Prove my analysis wrong, Einstein.







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DawgfaninCa
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Yeahhhh definitely trolling. GFY dude.



What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

If homosexuals can't handle being referred to as "twisteds" when they refer to heterosexuals as "straights" then too bad for them.








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Nuts4LSU
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It's impossible to have both religion and morality, as each necessarily excludes the other. So how are these mutually exclusive in your view?


Morality, if the term is to have any meaning at all, must include a set of rules (morals) by which you can objectively judge any act as either moral or immoral.

Religion, in virtually all of its manifestations, has only one rule...God's will be done. Any act, however evil or heinous, is moral if God wills it.

By following only this one rule, religion conducts no moral analysis, but only attempts to interpret God's will to see if He wants it done. This is why religion permits people to fly planes into buildings to murder thousands, torture people in the Inquisition, burn women at the stake, slaughter millions in the crusades, etc. without feeling the slightest bit guilty about it. These acts, immoral under any meaningful set of moral standards, are perfectly fine under religious doctrine IF GOD WILLS THEM.

If your only rule is to obey a higher authority no matter what it commands, then you are not a moral being. You are an animal trained to obey the commands of the higher authority. If I train my dog to kill on command, he is not being either moral or immoral when he does so. He is just blindly following his training (i.e. his religion) and obeying his master (i.e. his god). If, however, after being commanded to kill, he stops and reflects on whether he should obey the command, he then, for the first time, acquires morality. And in the same instant, he rejects his religion.

He must either judge the morality of the act regardless of his master's command, or blindly obey his master without judging the morality of the act. He cannot do both. Neither can anyone else.



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