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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 4:47 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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i mean let's call successful culture "white" culture. what is so hard about doing that?
There's nothing hard about that at all, as a matter of fact it seems so easy to do we can't seem to do anything else. But if you do, you can't wonder why 'non-white' people would have trouble integrating into that culture.
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this has nothing to do with race, really. plenty of white trash fail at those 3 things
It has everything to do with race from the perspective of the 'non-white'. If you start with the premise that half black = black, and half white equals black, you are setting white as the standard. Black then becomes a 'contaminant' of white. "Oh, your grandmother was black?" "That makes you black." It takes less than half, actualy.
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what's so wrong about valuing a better culture?
Nothing, but we should celebrate it as 'American culture' and be more inclusive.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 4:57 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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But if you do, you can't wonder why 'non-white' people would have trouble integrating into that culture.
remove race and just call it "successful" culture. what's so hard about doing that? this is for black, white, yellow, red, and brown trash alike
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It has everything to do with race from the perspective of the 'non-white'.
well let's remove race. for years i've tried to develop a term similar to "white trash" for other races. for now i just use "black trash" when discussing the segments of the balck population who adopt shite culture
it's about choices, not race. i want to remove race from the discussion, ESPECIALLY when talking about black trash
i'll call it all trash from here on out
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If you start with the premise that half black = black, and half white equals black, you are setting white as the standard. Black then becomes a 'contaminant' of white. "Oh, your grandmother was black?" "That makes you black." It takes less than half, actualy.
this line of thinking is much more pervasive in the black community than the white community
look at the first point in the article re: Obama's white half
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but we should celebrate it as 'American culture' and be more inclusive.
culture isn't exclusive. it's a set of actions/decisions that you choose
how are concepts like valuing education, attempting to improve your class (or your progeny's class), avoiding risky behavior, etc inclusive? they're individual choices
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 5:02 pm to EthanL)
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Nope, racism is alive and well,
Of course it is. It's "too big to fail" if you get my drift.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 5:06 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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they see the GOP as racists even though Democratic leaders in the south were against the civil rights
I leave only to come back and see SFP has dug in his heals which means he's jumped the shark in arguments.
Oh "objective" one, did you know the overwhelming majority of congressmen opposed to civil rights were from the South, regardless of party. Civil Rights was not a party issue, it was regional. Great example, a Republican congressman ran against the Dem senator from Texas and the Dem semator's vote on civil rights legislation was the main issue. The GOP congressman? None other than George Bush.
Very few Dems not from the South opposed it. And of course the two presidents behind it were Dems.
Now what's happened to all those white folks who used to vote Democrat? You might try looking at the electoral map in 1968 the first presidential election that had civil rights as a main issue.
I'll give you a hint.... The southern Dems didn't vote for Humphrey.
There was a time in this nation when California, Oregon, Washington and New England voted Republican and the South voted Democrat. You can lie to yourself and pretend race hasn't been an issue.
Know what percentage of white men in Louisiana and Mississippi voted for Romney? Here's another hint. About the same percentage of black men who voted for Obama.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 5:13 pm to Vegas Bengal)
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I leave only to come back and see SFP has dug in his heals which means he's jumped the shark in arguments.
i didn't realize facts were jumping the shark 
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Very few Dems not from the South opposed it.
you need to go back and read what i said:
and i quote: " even though Democratic leaders in the south were against the civil rights"
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Now what's happened to all those white folks who used to vote Democrat?
don't care. i'm not a democrat
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You can lie to yourself and pretend race hasn't been an issue.
where did i ever say that race was not an issue in the history of the US?
why are you ignoring what i actually say and inventing things that i did say?
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Know what percentage of white men in Louisiana and Mississippi voted for Romney? Here's another hint. About the same percentage of black men who voted for Obama.
i was asking for stats on this. i'm curious
i don't vote DEM or GOP. they're both paths to failure
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 5:13 pm to trackfan)
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these things don't matter to the person being oppressed.
However, they matter tremendously in the case of a person who imagines he's oppressed as an excuse for failure.quote:
I would bet big money that racially motivated violence in Western Europe is far less than than it is in the U.S.
I'd take that bet.
What is the racially motivated violence per capita ratio white-on-black vs black-on-white in this country vs Europe?
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WildTchoupitoulas
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 5:20 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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it's about choices, not race. i want to remove race from the discussion
That's very idealistic of you.
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this line of thinking is much more pervasive in the black community than the white community
No, it's been codified in our law.
Black has always been seen as a contaminant in our culture.
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culture isn't exclusive. it's a set of actions/decisions that you choose
For some it's an environment they find themselves in. Let's say you woke up in Tokyo tomorrow morning, would the culture you find yourself in be just the sum of your actions? Not at all. Once you saw through the polite smiles and learned to realize that everyone around you saw you as a sub-human barbarian, you'd feel like you weren't fitting into the culture - it would feel like an alien culture to you.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 5:28 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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Let's say you woke up in Tokyo tomorrow morning, would the culture you find yourself in be just the sum of your actions?
yes
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Once you saw through the polite smiles and learned to realize that everyone around you saw you as a sub-human barbarian, you'd feel like you weren't fitting into the culture -
into THEIR culture? sure
that doesn't change my own
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it would feel like an alien culture to you.
and? that means nothing. are you trying to tell me that cultures are different? are you implying i'm so stupid that i can't tell the difference in cultures? are you calling me so weak minded that i'd fold and reject my culture b/c i was surrounded by japanese cultures?
first of all, successful culture is not an alien concept to any person living in america. that makes your comparison invalid at the outset.
secondly your comparison has no impact b/c it assumes the most ignorant and weak-willed person is the subject of the comparison
to go back to the OP, i don't make the assumptions that black people in america are that stupid of weak willed. i believe they are smart enough to know the difference and strong enough to better themselves in the face of inferior culture.
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WildTchoupitoulas
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 5:48 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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i'd fold and reject my culture b/c i was surrounded by japanese cultures?
If you had to live in it and raise your children in it, and grandchildren, you might find yourself looking and associating with others of your culture. What do you say when the japanese ask you why you aren't fitting intoo their culture? Maybe, "I would if y'all accepted me and my family into it, but you don't so I can't."
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first of all, successful culture is not an alien concept to any person living in america. that makes your comparison invalid at the outset
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secondly your comparison has no impact b/c it assumes the most ignorant and weak-willed person is the subject of the comparison
No, that was the straw man you built to take down.
Look, you can not want it to be so, and argue against it all you like, but when one people view another people as racial 'contaminants', you are not going to have racial harmony. End of story.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 5:52 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
The only party I see treating me as a contaminant is the progressive party. It is offensive. Thanks but no thanks for your pity and charity.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 5:53 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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What do you say when the japanese ask you why you aren't fitting intoo their culture?
i don't really give a shite. if i find some redeeming qualities of their culture, i'll adopt them, but if i don't, i won't
sorry for partying?
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Maybe, "I would if y'all accepted me and my family into it, but you don't so I can't."
am i a 7 year old who is mad at his friends and taking his toys home?
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do you think that people live without tvs or the ability to read or something?
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No, that was the straw man you built to take down.
what?
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but when one people view another people as racial 'contaminants', you are not going to have racial harmony. End of story.
i don't anticipate racial harmony, and i'm not discussing it
i'm asking why it is so difficult for trash to accept superior culture and why people defend trash for rejecting that culture and promoting a shite culture. why can't you answer that?
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 5:54 pm to BBONDS25)
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The only party I see treating me as a contaminant is the progressive party.
just look at the arguments
they assume that black people are so stupid and weak that they can't help but have a shitty culture. that's INSANE
i'm sorry that i belive in black people more than progressives
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 5:58 pm to SlowFlowPro)
Exactly. I am not black, but I am mexican. And the only people that treat me like a second class citizen are progressives who feel the need to "take up" for me. It is probably ten times worse for blacks. I know it might shock the progressives, but I don't want or need their pity. It is very patronizing.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 6:24 pm to SlowFlowPro)
Regardless of what anyone thinks of liberals/progressives, they weren't the ones trying to make it more difficult for the poor and minorities to vote in the last election, in certain battleground states. Folks like Colin Powell, Michael Steele and JC Watts have tried to tell Republicans what their problem is, but folks won't listen to anything they have to say. Bobby Jindal said it best:
"If we want people to like us, we have to like them first."
"You don't start to like people by insulting them and saying their votes were bought."
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 6:27 pm to BBONDS25)
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I am not black, but I am mexican
i'm 1/4 hispanic and 3/4 "lower" white (cajun/italian)
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 6:28 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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(cajun/italian)
How did this relationship happen?
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 6:30 pm to trackfan)
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they weren't the ones trying to make it more difficult for the poor and minorities to vote in the last election,
i think they were trying to make democrats show ID to vote more than anything
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"You don't start to like people by insulting them and saying their votes were bought."
most everyone's vote is bought
should we get mad at DEMs for pandering to jews when they go to florida? same fricking concept
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 6:32 pm to 805tiger)
Think I'll have a malt liquor in an effort to try and understand all the coons out there It's my effort to sensitivity training and a grand attempt to understand the feelings of their race! 
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 6:32 pm to 805tiger)
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How did this relationship happen?
mom's cajun and met my dad (northeast yankee) either in Oregon while she was there for school...i think
they were hippies...some weird shite like that
i've tried to tell y'all for years that i wasn't raised in a typical LA home
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 6:33 pm to SlowFlowPro)
Boom. We need to start a local bar association. We may be the only 2 members!
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