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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 12:57 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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The fact a handful of Blacks may not suffer from de jure segregation doesn't mean any European nation wants a substantial number of Blacks in their midst
again, let's discuss his claim of Norway being less racist when over 85% of its population is Norwegian and about 1% are black (i believe)
you'd think the least racist nation on earth would have a lot more black people across the globe flooding to its borders
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 12:58 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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According to your definition, not mine, fine. You're arguing semantics here.
racism involves a judgment of some kind. that requries intent
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ut how about prejudice ideologies, subconscious discrimination, etc? They all impact race relations.
and they're impossible to eliminate. we'll always create groups to hate and a group that we identify with to elevate
welcome to being human
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RogerTheShrubber 
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:01 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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Anybody else think there is a connection between the fact that the party more likely to argue "racism is dead"
Hold on a minute. Who in the hell is arguing this? Where the hell are you getting this bull shite from??? Links?
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and that it is a fabrication used for political gain and to explain "personal shortcomings" is the same party that struggles to get votes from most minority/racial/ethnic groups? Serious question.
WHat the frick are you talking about? There is real racism, and there is fabricated racism used to cover for personal failure. You don't seem to be able to discern the difference.
Give me some links to this widespread and systematic belief that some folks think racism is dead. Will wait.
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onmymedicalgrind
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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Not really, sounds like you changed the definition.
Again, this is a semantic argument that is irrelevant to the point at hand. Yes, I do think overt acts of institutionalized racism through legislation and similar means is dead. I do not think "racist" ideologies and more covert forms of prejudice and discrimination are dead. That was all I was trying to say with my post.
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Without some aspect of superiority or discrimination, there is no racism.
And I think this still exists today. We are getting much better, but it isn't "nearly dead."
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:02 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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Again, this is a semantic argument
No, it's not.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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and they're impossible to eliminate. we'll always create groups to hate and a group that we identify with to elevate
Real racists, and those who have warped concepts of what racism really is...have much more in common than they actually want to admit. They both need a bogeyman to blame for personal failure
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:05 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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So, when will racism be dead? I would let you know, but my crystal ball is in for repairs.
IE, 'NEVER'. Go ahead and say it.
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onmymedicalgrind
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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and they're impossible to eliminate. we'll always create groups to hate and a group that we identify with to elevate
welcome to being human
Cheap cop out imo. And if you think this is the case then I don't think you can argue "racism is dead" if we decide that this "group we are going to hate" is determined by skin color.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:05 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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Anybody else think there is a connection between the fact that the party more likely to argue "racism is dead" and that it is a fabrication used for political gain and to explain "personal shortcomings" is the same party that struggles to get votes from most minority/racial/ethnic groups? Serious question.
i think it says more about the minority groups who blindly support a party that considers them useful idiots
you are missing the point of why the progressive party relies so much on expanding the view of racism. isn't it funny that the party who relies so much on minorities finds racism in everything? Remember, "chicago" is now a racist term for the progressives
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onmymedicalgrind
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
I am using this conservative board as an example. On this board, often it is argued that racism is "dead" or "overblown." In fact, on this board the "real" racists are the "race-baiters." If you can't agree with those general statements, I dont know what to tell you.
I was just asking that if this mindset is representative of the GOP at large, does that have anything to do with the party's struggle to garner support from those who are not white? I am sorry if this question upset you so much.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:09 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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Cheap cop out imo
how? 
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And if you think this is the case then I don't think you can argue "racism is dead" if we decide that this "group we are going to hate" is determined by skin color.
i think we've moved on to hating trashy people of all races, homosexuals/homophobes, and all sorts of other groups
and i argue racisim is as dead as it will get. it's impossible to eliminate. i'll never understand why we devote so many resource towards creating racism where it doesn't exist. the only people who benefit are the race pimps
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:11 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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In fact, on this board the "real" racists are the "race-baiters."
i don't consider them racists
i consider them horrible people who prey on ignorant people to maintain their power/financial status
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I was just asking that if this mindset is representative of the GOP at large
this board is NOT an accurate reflection of the GOP, fwiw
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does that have anything to do with the party's struggle to garner support from those who are not white? I am sorry if this question upset you so much.
there isn't anything the GOP can do to sway most minority voters. they're all in on being DEM
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Navytiger74
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:13 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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he was the GOP nominee. he was going to get a bunch of white votes regardless
Also a relatively new, and racially charged, development in the south, no?
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so you say i'm right in the countries i select, but i'm wrong "on everything else"
You're wrong on the "western European" part--save some aspects of Ireland and the latin countries.
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italy and germany aren't even that old in their political identity
I wrote a lot more about this but didn't feel like posting a book. Though modern Germany and Italy are relatively new as singular nation-states, I was obviously speaking of a broader national identity, rooted in blood, that they consider critical to social cohesion. You mentioned Germany's recently modified jus sanguine (I may have mispelled that, but you know what I mean) citizenship laws.
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but it's horrible for most turks
It's not "horrible" for Turks, but they are a fair point. Turks were allowed into Germany as labor after a generation of German men was killed in WWII. By all indications, Germans didn't intend for them to remain permanently and initially made little effort to help them integrate into society. The effects are felt today. As far as I could glean, most Germans don't realistically expect the Turks to emigrate back to Turkey, but don't find them culturally compatible with Germany. It's a tough situation.
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germany had slavery, too. so did england, spain, italy, etc. slavery is not an American concept
No western nation is still dealing with the legacy of slavery in any way appreciable enough to be compared to the US. And, for the last time, we didn't start holding hands the minute the 13th amendment was ratified. There's much more to America's racist past than slavery.
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germany still has jim crow laws.
No, they don't.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:14 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
I am mexican. I take offense to the prograssives thinking I need to be babysat or angry at some bogeyman to justify hardships I may come across in my life.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:14 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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I am using this conservative board as an example. On this board, often it is argued that racism is "dead"
Absolute lie. Link this up for me.
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or "overblown."
Fact.
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In fact, on this board the "real" racists are the "race-baiters."
Stupidity and obsession doesn't make you racist.
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If you can't agree with those general statements, I dont know what to tell you.
It means I am not stupid, and not a liar. Link this widespread belief that racism is dead. I am watching the kids today, and have all day.
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I was just asking that if this mindset is representative of the GOP at large
No, another lie. You stated it was.
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, does that have anything to do with the party's struggle to garner support from those who are not white? I am sorry if this question upset you so much.
You can't garner support for minority groups who have been effectively separated by their paranoia unless you pander directly to them. This is an unfortunate fact the GOP has failed to capitalize upon. You can't promise things for the good of humanity, you have to promise goodies to black folk, gay folk and women folk..directly. Just the way it is.
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onmymedicalgrind
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:16 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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i think it says more about the minority groups who blindly support a party that considers them useful idiots
I understand if you disagree with people's choice to vote democrat or consider themselves liberal. But to say this is because they "blindly" follow a party as if they cannot think critically and make decisions that are best for their lives and their families is silly. I guess only conservatives can do that, huh?
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you are missing the point of why the progressive party relies so much on expanding the view of racism. isn't it funny that the party who relies so much on minorities finds racism in everything?
This is a solid rebute, and it is the flip side of what I brought up.
All I can say is as I peruse this conservative Poli board--as an African-American--there are way too many times when I cringe or shake my head at some of the things people are comfortable saying under a cloak of anonymity. One needs to only read this board for a week to realize there is a disconnect between many (not all, maybe not even most) conservatives and minorities at large.
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onmymedicalgrind
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:18 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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there isn't anything the GOP can do to sway most minority voters. they're all in on being DEM
Why not? You act as if minorities have been voting Democrat since forever?
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:18 pm to Navytiger74)
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Also a relatively new, and racially charged, development in the south, no?
i think white people have been voting for the conservative candidate for a long time. they killed huey long, so it goes back at least that far
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No western nation is still dealing with the legacy of slavery in any way appreciable enough to be compared to the US.
that is ONLY due to circumstance of the time when slavery became seen as wrong, internationally. at that time we were the country that required the most slaves due to our nation's output. it's just a matter of circumstance
europe exported their slaves to the US to benefit europe, and then got self-rigteous about slavery while enjoying the fruits of slavery's industry in the US and Carribean. they don't have the legacy of slavery b/c there weren't that many slaves left in Europe by the time we outlawed it
this set of circumstances isn't our fault
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No, they don't.
kids born to non-citizens in Germany (often Turks)are not given full citizenship like they are in America. how is that not a jim crow law? they're discriminated against via national law
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:19 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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All I can say is as I peruse this conservative Poli board--as an African-American--there are way too many times when I cringe or shake my head at some of the things people are comfortable saying under a cloak of anonymity. One needs to only read this board for a week to realize there is a disconnect between many (not all, maybe not even most) conservatives and minorities at large.
There will always be cultural strife. Kind of surprising how skin color is forgiven when everything about the shoe fits.
Everyone likes people who are like the are, and this is something that will never change. Race is n't much of an issue when all other factors are equal.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:19 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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there isn't anything the GOP can do to sway most minority voters. they're all in on being DEM
Why not? You act as if minorities have been voting Democrat since forever?
The Dems learned how to play the game, Republicans didn't. It's a game.
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