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I am a tree hugger but in no way do I find federal mandates or laws concerning the proper use of chemicals or land management to be satisfactory
I work in the woods as a forester. I have a degree in forest management. I know a whole hell of a lot about the woods, and comparing me and my peers to tree huggers is like night and day. Tree huggers are some of the dumbest, uninformed people I have ever met. You have zero idea how ANY ecosystem actually works. You all just like to have something to bitch about. It amazes me how much we want the same things, but you all have abso-fricking-lutely no idea how to do it. Maybe you should learn a little about what you are whining about before becoming an opponent of land management practices in the US.

Oh hell, I guess you can't fix stupid so why even try






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Decatur
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But the fact that Mississippi at one time used states' rights to further a racist agenda does not mean that's what they're trying to do today.


The Sovereignty Committee was not disbanded until 1977. That's not too long ago.

I doubt they would do that exact same thing again but I can only imagine what kind of laws they would dream up for suspected illegal immigrants.






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Bucktown Tigah
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Environmental laws - frick em



You think bureaucrats in D.C. know what is better for Louisiana's environment than people elected by the citizens of Louisiana? Why do you put so much trust and faith in people so far away who are not accountable to you?






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Bucktown Tigah
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I guess it doesn't really surprise me that the attitudes of Southerners regarding states rights hasn't changed very much since the days when George Wallace way yelling, "Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!"



So what you're saying is states rights = racist.

So Colorado and Washington nullifying federal drug laws are racist...got it.







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Powerman
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Why not just throw tax laws into there also


I guess I'm looking at it from a constitutional angle

The constitution grants the government the power to levy taxes on income

The constitution also protects certain rights

If it isn't explicitly defined as a role of the powers of the federal government in the constitution, I don't think the states should have to enforce it. And if they choose, they should be able to arrest federal authorities who do try to enforce it within their state.






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Decatur
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You think bureaucrats in D.C. know what is better for Louisiana's environment than people elected by the citizens of Louisiana? Why do you put so much trust and faith in people so far away who are not accountable to you?


I think states would get in a race to the bottom to relax enviro law in order to attract business to their state

I think that Louisiana's environment would be in a much worse place if we didn't have fed laws. And Louisiana is already having a tough time as it is with fed standards.

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Louisiana is among the worst states at enforcing federal clean air, clean water and hazardous waste laws, and the Environmental Protection Agency should either force Louisiana and fellow laggards to do a better job, or enforce the laws itself, according to a report released Monday by EPA’s inspector general.

The report does not spotlight specific environmental problems caused by Louisiana’s lax regulatory regime, focusing instead on a broad failure to carry out required inspections and cite violators. It concludes that the weak enforcement might be driven in part by “a culture in which the state agency is expected to protect industry.”

Citizen groups have frequently targeted the state agency charged with enforcing federal environmental laws: the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality. One complaint against DEQ in 2001 triggered a comprehensive audit by the EPA, resulting in major changes in state enforcement.

But even with the changes, Louisiana ranks so low compared with other states in the percentage of major facilities inspected, the number of violations found at those facilities, and the frequency in which the state issued a penalty for violations that the inspector general’s office highlighted it in the new report.

“Although the state has completed the recommended actions, the state’s poor performance persisted,” the report said. Louisiana, it notes, still has the lowest enforcement activity level in EPA’s Region 6, which also includes Arkansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Texas.

“State, EPA regional, and external interview responses attributed Louisiana’s poor performance to several factors, including a lack of resources, natural disasters, and a culture in which the state agency is expected to protect industry,” said the report, signed by EPA Inspector General Arthur Elkins.


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Siderophore
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I think a state should be able to ignore any federal law in excess of the Constitution.

And they can.

The fed just replies "Well we will tax you just as badly but we will remove all federal support if you don't bend."






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Decatur
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I think a state should be able to ignore any federal law in excess of the Constitution.


And who determines what is in excess of the Constitution?







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Siderophore
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The Constitution.

Determining drinking age, etc are all far in excess to the rights the constitution afforded the fed.

This is not ambiguous or up for opinion.

This is why the fed is using backdoor methods to make the lives of states that refuse to adopt their RealID standards hell. Because they have no legal standing to force them do directly.






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Decatur
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And who determines what is in excess of the Constitution?


Your answer:

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The Constitution.


You do realize this is circular reasoning, right?







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TigerintheNO
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And who determines what is in excess of the Constitution?


I thought that was the Supreme Court's job






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Siderophore
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Not at all.

You just asked a loaded question.

It expressly states the fed can do X, Y, and Z.

Yes, the states are subservient in those issues, BUT THERE IS NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO FOLLOW ANYTHING BUT THOSE.

LA and several other states are currently in "rebellion" with federal law. Its not big in the news because they have a right to.

The Fed has to apply pressure in other ways to make the states comply.

Something that is obviously against the spirit of the Consitution, although allowable by the currently interpreted letter.






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Its a fine line, theres no clear cut answer...


If it infringes on liberties/rights... Yes

If it promotes liberties/rights... No






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Decatur
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I thought that was the Supreme Court's job


shh






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junkfunky
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You do realize this is circular reasoning, right?


Well if you make a habit of changing and twisting the meanings of words, sure.






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Decatur
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It expressly states the fed can do X, Y, and Z.

Yes, the states are subservient in those issues, BUT THERE IS NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO FOLLOW ANYTHING BUT THOSE.


I'm assuming you are referencing the express language of the Constitution. Are you saying that states don't have to abide by U.S. Supreme Court decisions that interpret the language of the Constitution?






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Decatur
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Well if you make a habit of changing and twisting the meanings of words, sure.


How so?






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It concludes that the weak enforcement might be driven in part by “a culture in which the state agency is expected to protect industry.”

No way federal regulatory agencies could ever protect industry right?






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Powerman
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So Colorado and Washington nullifying federal drug laws are racist...got it.


Yep

Black people hate weed






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RCDfan1950
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Should the Fed be able to enforce any law that they enact? How would you envision the future of the US if so?

The Fed - under Obama - is goin rogue. The States will act accordingly. Sew the wind...!

We'll 'unite' on thing of common interest...and divide on things we don't. Works every time. Called freedom. One only must accept the consequence of one's chose ideological choice.







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