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CollegeFBRules 
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 7:05 am to MrCarton)
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Sure. Draconian describes punishment for crimes. Harsh punishment for small crimes. It says nothing about individual freedoms other than the results of conviction of a crime.
So find me a society with plentiful individual freedom that utilizes punishments like those in the OP.
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cwill 
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 7:17 am to nerd guy)
You will be shocked (or maybe not) to find that many posters who fear sharia law and are in favor of laws banning this nonexistent threat actually are in favor of its implementation. Weird.
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MrCarton 
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 7:28 am to CollegeFBRules)
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So find me a society with plentiful individual freedom that utilizes punishments like those in the OP.
No. What you're asking me to do is not related to my statement.
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CollegeFBRules
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 7:40 am to MrCarton)
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No. What you're asking me to do is not related to my statement.
Yes it is. That you can't do it shows that the two things, though you are trying to draw distinctions, are very much linked.
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RCDfan1950
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 8:32 am to CollegeFBRules)
[quote]1. Because we're aren't savages.[/quote]
BOOOONNNNKKKKK! Wrong. The evidence is overwhelming, C.
The man KNEW the rules; HE CHOSE to inflict those rules upon HIMSELF.
These rules should only be employed where there is NO DOUBT as to guilt. Ask that dude if he'll be doin any more stealing. You know the answer.
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CollegeFBRules
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 8:48 am to RCDfan1950)
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These rules should only be employed where there is NO DOUBT as to guilt. Ask that dude if he'll be doin any more stealing. You know the answer.
How has that worked out for the death penalty in this country over the years?
I guess he won't with missing fingers, but no government should have the power to dismember its citizens.
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CptRusty
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 8:53 am to nerd guy)
Those people are fricking insane. Period.
ETA: And if you think such things should be allowed here, then so are you.
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tketaco
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 9:05 am to nerd guy)
Can't play beer pong anymore.
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Sentrius 
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 10:27 am to cwill)
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You will be shocked (or maybe not) to find that many posters who fear sharia law and are in favor of laws banning this nonexistent threat actually are in favor of its implementation. Weird.
Yep. And they need to be called the frick out. 
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CajunTiger34
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 10:38 am to Sentrius)
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What if I stole something so trivial as a 75 cent newspaper? Do I deserve to have my hands cut off for that? If somebody answers yes, then that person is a fricking loon.
if you knew the consequence was that you would lose a hand i bet you wouldnt steal that 75 cent paper.. but if the punishment was a slap on the wrist i bet you would.... thanks for proving my point.
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CollegeFBRules
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:00 am to CajunTiger34)
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if you knew the consequence was that you would lose a hand i bet you wouldnt steal that 75 cent paper.. but if the punishment was a slap on the wrist i bet you would.... thanks for proving my point.
So is it your devout belief in god and strict adherence to the bible that prompts your support of cutting parts of people off, or a strict conservatism that constantly bitches for a smaller state that emboldens you to support such state power?
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Sentrius
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:09 am to CajunTiger34)
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if you knew the consequence was that you would lose a hand i bet you wouldnt steal that 75 cent paper.. but if the punishment was a slap on the wrist i bet you would.... thanks for proving my point.
I want you to read what you wrote and think about it clearly.
You are actually proposing that the govt cut off your hand as punishment for something so trivial as stealing an item that has little value like a 75 cent paper. Why do you want to give the govt that power? That is power a tyrant would love.
Lunacy. Seek help.
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CajunTiger34
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:19 am to CollegeFBRules)
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So is it your devout belief in god and strict adherence to the bible that prompts your support of cutting parts of people off, or a strict conservatism that constantly bitches for a smaller state that emboldens you to support such state power?
first off... let not bring religion into this.. has nothing to do with this... secondly, states already have powers to enforce punishment( jail time. community service, etc.) so you wouldnt be giving them any more powers..
and you act like the people i am talking about are pure, law abiding,hard working individuals who will be subjected to this form of punishment.
ill give you an example from my own personal experience. i had a good friend get mugged outside of a gas station and was shot in the chest( he survived barely)..the criminal was apprehended about and hour later. it was caught on video surveillance and my friend was also able to ID the guy... he received a 12 yr sentence and is eligible for parole after 8...
my alternative would be to amputate both arms at the elbows.. he would never shoot anyone again and it wouldnt cost tax payers anything..
what is so wrong about that? does this CRIMINAL who acted inhumanely deserve to be treated humanely... the correct answer is NO. you give up that right when you commit such acts
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Meauxjeaux 
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:21 am to Tigah in the ATL)
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Bacchus
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:45 am to Celery)
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They really have to use an antique movie projector for this?
This. Why use a machine when a butcher knife would do? If their intent is to shock & awe, why not use crude implements?
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Bacchus
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:49 am to CajunTiger34)
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my alternative would be to amputate both arms at the elbows.. he would never shoot anyone again and it wouldnt cost tax payers anything..
I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that a man with no arms below the elbows would not be a burden to tax payers. He obviously can't work, so he'll end up getting government assistance of some kind.
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CajunTiger34
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:55 am to Bacchus)
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I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that a man with no arms below the elbows would not be a burden to tax payers. He obviously can't work, so he'll end up getting government assistance of some kind.
yea your probably right.. im sure after his 8 years he will come out ready to get a job and be a contributing member of society..NOT.. so he will be gettin govt. assistance regardless
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Jim Rockford
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 12:05 pm to nerd guy)
As some of the comments in this thread prove, a lot of people who object to authoritarian government aren't against government oppression per se. They're just fine with it as long as their side is the one doing the oppression.
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MrCarton
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 12:29 pm to CollegeFBRules)
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Yes it is. That you can't do it shows that the two things, though you are trying to draw distinctions, are very much linked
Nope.
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idlewatcher
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| re: Iran teaching thieves a lesson (Posted on 1/29/13 at 1:47 pm to germandawg)
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