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Someone clear this Bunkley business up please
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:16 pm
I'm seeing it both ways.
Some people are saying that they did run a 3-4 in Denver while he was there, and others are saying it was a 4-3 and they just sometimes played with just 3 guys on the line. Can someone please do some badass research and find a definite answer?
The only answer I've seen is that one article and it doesn't seem very professional.
It's important to know because if he's really not a badass NT then it's obvious a glaring need and changes our draft/FA needs.
Some people are saying that they did run a 3-4 in Denver while he was there, and others are saying it was a 4-3 and they just sometimes played with just 3 guys on the line. Can someone please do some badass research and find a definite answer?
The only answer I've seen is that one article and it doesn't seem very professional.
It's important to know because if he's really not a badass NT then it's obvious a glaring need and changes our draft/FA needs.
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Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:22 pm to afatgreekcat
D-Coordinator for Denver in 2011 when Broderick played for the Broncos was Saints' former secondary coach and current Raiders' head coach Dennis Allen who is mostly known to run a 4-3.
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:29 pm to afatgreekcat
he only played one year in Denver I know that. Before he played there, he played in a 4-3 in Philly.
Dennis Allen was the coordinator and I'm almost certain the Broncos ran a 4-3.
Its too bad Franklin isn't still around. He would be perfect for this defense.
What was frustrating to me was how little Bunkley played this past year. I mean we would usually get gashed by other teams in the run game playing with a nickel or a dime defense(he wasn't in those defensive packages).
When we were in the 4-3, the run defense was at its best which still isn't saying much. He also made a big play in the Green Bay game driving his man into the back field and Rodgers tripped over the guy and wasn't able to make a clean hand off, they fumbled and the Saints recovered. It was a big goal line stand in that game.
I wish we had played him more but I guess he wasn't properly utilized in Spags scheme?
Dennis Allen was the coordinator and I'm almost certain the Broncos ran a 4-3.
Its too bad Franklin isn't still around. He would be perfect for this defense.
What was frustrating to me was how little Bunkley played this past year. I mean we would usually get gashed by other teams in the run game playing with a nickel or a dime defense(he wasn't in those defensive packages).
When we were in the 4-3, the run defense was at its best which still isn't saying much. He also made a big play in the Green Bay game driving his man into the back field and Rodgers tripped over the guy and wasn't able to make a clean hand off, they fumbled and the Saints recovered. It was a big goal line stand in that game.
I wish we had played him more but I guess he wasn't properly utilized in Spags scheme?
This post was edited on 1/28/13 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:30 pm to afatgreekcat
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:30 pm to afatgreekcat
They ran a 4-3.
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:56 pm to THRILLHO
So we need a NT.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:58 pm to afatgreekcat
We were gonna need NT depth regardless, but I think Bunkley is strong enough to play NT in the 3-4. We'll see what the new defensive staff thinks.
Posted on 1/28/13 at 9:34 pm to Patrick O Rly
Agree with Patty-O. We need some NT depth to rotate regardless. But I agree that Bunkley is strong enough to play NT in a 3-4. I think we're pretty set on the line with Jordan, Hicks and Bunkley. A pass rusher is need #1 IMO.
Posted on 1/28/13 at 9:35 pm to Patrick O Rly
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Patrick O Rly Someone clear this Bunkley business up please We were gonna need NT depth regardless, but I think Bunkley is strong enough to play NT in the 3-4. We'll see what the new defensive staff thinks.
If it doesn't work out we'll blame mickey
Posted on 1/29/13 at 1:10 am to Chad504boy
Denver ran some 3-4, and Bunkley played their NT. it was when he was most effective.
Bunkley can play NT, but I'd still like to pick up a bigger guy in the third round.
Bunkley can play NT, but I'd still like to pick up a bigger guy in the third round.
Posted on 1/29/13 at 7:41 am to Chad504boy
I'm blaming him already.
Posted on 1/29/13 at 8:22 am to LooseCannon22282
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Its too bad Franklin isn't still around. He would be perfect for this defense.
I didn't watch much of SD last year, but from what I remember reading he was pretty awful last year.
Posted on 1/29/13 at 8:50 am to mm2316
He was a 4-3 NT. The 4-3 nose position is different from the 3-4 nose. 4-3 NTs are ordinarily lighter and expected to rush the passer more.
He might be a good 3rd down NT. Dunno if he has the girth to be a full timer. Definitely more bodies needed on the roster. Bunkley definitely isn't going anywhere cuz of his contract. If a DT like Richardson or Hankins is the BPA I wouldn't be surprised if he is taken. Tough comparing a 3-4NT with a 3-4OLB in value. Both are the two most essential parts of good 3-4s.
The scheme switch is a big deal. I don't think it would have been done without having a good degree of confidence over current players ability to fit.
He might be a good 3rd down NT. Dunno if he has the girth to be a full timer. Definitely more bodies needed on the roster. Bunkley definitely isn't going anywhere cuz of his contract. If a DT like Richardson or Hankins is the BPA I wouldn't be surprised if he is taken. Tough comparing a 3-4NT with a 3-4OLB in value. Both are the two most essential parts of good 3-4s.
The scheme switch is a big deal. I don't think it would have been done without having a good degree of confidence over current players ability to fit.
Posted on 1/29/13 at 10:56 am to mm2316
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I didn't watch much of SD last year, but from what I remember reading he was pretty awful last year.
I was looking at Pro Football Focus list of free agents for 2013(interior D-linemen) and I think he was in the Top 10 ranking based off of his play in 2012. Posting from phone, can't pull up the link. Pretty sure he missed a lot of games with injury though now that I think about it.
This post was edited on 1/29/13 at 11:05 am
Posted on 1/29/13 at 10:57 am to afatgreekcat
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Someone clear this Bunkley business up please
Okay, let me go grab a below average light in the pants center.
Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:06 am to LooseCannon22282
the PFF free agent DT scores
Franklin was a positive 5.4 but only played 285 snaps
btw, Ellis -3.4, what was disgusting is he had more snaps than any other FA DT, 719. The case where our eyes were right. The bum shouldn't have been in there. More reps for Hicks and even Tyrunn Walker would have been better.
Franklin was a positive 5.4 but only played 285 snaps
btw, Ellis -3.4, what was disgusting is he had more snaps than any other FA DT, 719. The case where our eyes were right. The bum shouldn't have been in there. More reps for Hicks and even Tyrunn Walker would have been better.
Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:30 am to blueslover
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The 4-3 nose position is different from the 3-4 nose. 4-3 NTs are ordinarily lighter and expected to rush the passer more.
which is why he's more suited as a 3-4 DE. Those are typically the bigger 4-3 DE's that are stout against the run and can bring a pass rush (but aren't "pass rushers"), and we seem to have three of those.
We need a NT. It's too critical of a position in a 3-4 scheme to just put someone in there that is serviceable.
Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:41 am to Midget Death Squad
plenty of big meat for #15
Hankins
Williams
Jenkins
Hankins
Williams
Jenkins
Posted on 1/29/13 at 12:56 pm to blueslover
gotta be sumpin to do with this Hicks pic...
Posted on 1/29/13 at 12:57 pm to blueslover
Hah!
Canadians and their snakes...
Canadians and their snakes...
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