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Tactical1 
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 12:49 pm to MDcajuntiger)
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Disagree
The vast majority of health concerns that we "treat" people for are rooted in diet and obesity. It oftentimes circles back to irresponsible behaviors/habits of the individual.
Obesity contributes to the following:
Coronary artery disease
Diabetes
Chronic muscle/joint/ back pain
Guess what this leads to:
Increased use of hospital/clinic resources
Disability / loss of productivity
Guess who indirectly pays for this...
I don't disagree with this at all.
But his complaint was he was tired of listening to other people complain about being overweight.
For every person out there that you had to listen too whose complaints get under your skin, there is another person sick of hearing your shite.
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white perch 
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 12:50 pm to townhallsavoy)
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public education health classes should teach the benefits of a lower carb, higher protein/fat diet.
what all people (who aren't starving) really need is a lower calorie diet. while the composition of food is important, as far as the county's obesity epidemic goes, we need to reduce our total calorie intake.
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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 12:52 pm to white perch)
if you cut down carbs, you'll almost assuredly cut down calories unless you choose the most fatty of fatty foods
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townhallsavoy 
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 12:56 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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if you cut down carbs, you'll almost assuredly cut down calories unless you choose the most fatty of fatty foods
Exactly.
And not only that, when you eat carbs, you crave more carbs later on thus adding on to your already sky rocketed calorie total.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 12:57 pm to townhallsavoy)
<---- hasn't had candy in like 3 weeks or so 
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Zach
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:04 pm to Tactical1)
I know a guy who is obese and had diabetes so bad that he cut his foot and someone had to let him know that he was bleeding because he had no feeling down there.
I said "Well, didn't you see the blood?"
Him: "I haven't seen my feet in years."
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MDcajuntiger
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:08 pm to white perch)
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what all people (who aren't starving) really need is a lower calorie diet. while the composition of food is important, as far as the county's obesity epidemic goes, we need to reduce our total calorie intake.
Agree
If interested look into intermittent fasting/leangains. In short, it involves fasting for 16 hours and eating all calories in a planned 8 hour feeding window (12:30Pm to 8:30PM). 2 larger meals that are satiating = less calories than eating smaller more frequent meals.
I personally have been doing it for the last year with great results.
There was big thread on this in the past on the OT.
LINK
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white perch
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:12 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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if you cut down carbs, you'll almost assuredly cut down calories unless you choose the most fatty of fatty foods
if you cut down on carbs, you cut down on calories
if you cut down on fats, you cut down on calories
if you cut down on protien, you cut down on calories
They all turn into calories. The way to lose weight is to burn more calories in a day than you consume in food. You have to force your body to eat itself in order to stay alive. You have to starve a little. If you can accomplish this by cutting down on the bread, the steak, or the cheese doesn't matter for most Americans. Eat fewer calories in a day than your body needs in that day, and you body will change fat into glucose (or it's biochemical substitutes).
Now, after you get your weight down to a reasonable level, then we can talk about complex carbohydrates, unsaturated fatty acids, and protein content in your diet. Most obese people though, need to get step 1 done first, consume fewer calories and increase physical activity
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Queen
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:13 pm to white perch)
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what all people (who aren't starving) really need is a lower calorie diet. while the composition of food is important, as far as the county's obesity epidemic goes, we need to reduce our total calorie intake.
And increase activity. Nutrition is important, but we should not just ignore the people who sit around and watch TV all day.
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Kashonly
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:13 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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Fat people health problems
so people see a duy drinking a whole mountain dew and think that what must be going on with all fat people.
like a woman, a black, a jew....you see one, you know them all?
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white perch
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:25 pm to Queen)
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And increase activity. Nutrition is important, but we should not just ignore the people who sit around and watch TV all day.
I think you responded before I got to write this
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Now, after you get your weight down to a reasonable level, then we can talk about complex carbohydrates, unsaturated fatty acids, and protein content in your diet. Most obese people though, need to get step 1 done first, consume fewer calories and increase physical activity
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so people see a duy drinking a whole mountain dew and think that what must be going on with all fat people.
like a woman, a black, a jew....you see one, you know them all?
There are all different types of people, and they have all different types of barriers to medical care and healthy living choices, but the equation doesn't change. If the number of calories you eat is greater than the number of calories you burn, then you body will store the excess calories at fat.
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Gray Tiger
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:34 pm to Strannix)
The solution to all of this is obvious. Serious governemtal action on th Federal level is called for.
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doubleb
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:34 pm to Strannix)
Fat people drag society down just like smokers did and still do.
I think they should be forced to eat outside just as smokers were forced outside.
I also believe that like smokers aren't allowed to smoke in public places, fat people shouldn't be allowed to eat in public places with the exception of casinos and bar rooms.
We pay enough taxes now to help those who are truly sick; we do not need to be paying more taxes for people that smoke and get sick of get fat and get sick.
We should also start taxing food. For some reason in Louisiana food is taxed less than clothing. Why is that? it should be the opposite. We need a 25% sales tax on meats, vegetables, and fish and a 50% sales tax on candy bars, ice cream, and Coke.
The revenues we net as a result can be invested in the future. We could create jobs by investing in wind, solar, batteries, and the like with the extra money. Our children will be able to have jobs as a result even though their parents do not have them.
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Zahrim
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:41 pm to Kashonly)
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so people see a duy drinking a whole mountain dew and think that what must be going on with all fat people.
As a chef for 23 years, I can say 95% of them, easily. I know people with that thyroid condition that causes obesity but it is a rare condition and genetic.
I also have a good friend who is a fat bastard and he knows it, is trying to fix it. He does not blame anyone else but himself, he knows why he is fat (was 450, now 325) and is at least man enough to admit his failures and try and correct them (instead of whining about his back or feet) and thus has garnered support from all his friends.
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white perch
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:46 pm to doubleb)
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think they should be forced to eat outside just as smokers were forced outside.
I also believe that like smokers aren't allowed to smoke in public places, fat people shouldn't be allowed to eat in public places with the exception of casinos and bar rooms.
ostrisizing the obese, though it might make you feel better, is likely going to be an ineffective way to change behavior. Eating is their drug. The worse you make them feel, the more they will turn to food to make themselves feel better.
A better way would be through community and media changes that display healthy weight individuals and lifestyles as "cool." If you make a healthy weight and lifestyle the presumed social "norm," than more people will do that. The media has, I believe, already started this. Now, it's our turn.
We as a society have to get in better shape and do those things that keep us healthy, and not do those things that lead to obesity. Go for a walk, take you kids to the park. Grow a garden and eat from it, don't eat candy.
Obesity is our problem. We have to stop looking for other people to fix it. If we don't do it, no one will and our children will pay the price.
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Queen
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:48 pm to white perch)
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A better way would be through community and media changes that display healthy weight individuals and lifestyles as "cool."
Require a bunch of pushups to get the free phone? 
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white perch
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:50 pm to Queen)
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Require a bunch of pushups to get the free phone?
hey, if it's shown to work, why not. What we're doing now if failing.
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UncleLogger 
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:53 pm to Kashonly)
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so people see a duy drinking a whole mountain dew and think that what must be going on with all fat people.
Yea, most fat people have the same problems. They put bad shite into their bodies in very high quantities. Not difficult to explain or understand.
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Kashonly
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:55 pm to white perch)
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but the equation doesn't change. If the number of calories you eat is greater than the number of calories you burn, then you body will store the excess calories at fat.
incorrect, some people's bodies will autp adjust metabolism when it detects a mental change in food consumption....start to diet and reduce in take, the body won't waste any of it....eat a big mac and large fry.....it will let shite slide.
the equation does change
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catholictigerfan
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| re: Fat people health problems (Posted on 1/28/13 at 2:02 pm to Strannix)
one other thing most of the so called solutions politicians give DON'T WORK. The law fat crap people started did nothing and actually made things worse. In replace of fatty ingredients they replaced it with high fructose corn syrup or other types of sugars and sugars are not good for the body and mostly turn into fat in the body. I think its more then just cutting calories while that is the most of it, what you put into your body still has an impact on your health.
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