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re: Who thinks the new Star Wars trilogy will suck?
Posted on 2/1/13 at 1:37 pm to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 2/1/13 at 1:37 pm to LoveThatMoney
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You're in the wrong here buddy, and overly mad.
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Not really on either account.
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Jesus Tapdancing Christ, are you fricking dense? Clearly it's not the same Star Trek you grew up with and loved. It is NOT a Star Trek movie in the vein of Wrath of Khan. For frick's sake, I've already told you how to judge it: independently from the other films and the TV show. It is a standalone piece that borrows very little from the original world. fricking get over it.
Lot of "fricks" for someone calm, cool and collected.
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Posted on 2/1/13 at 1:40 pm to Ace Midnight
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Ace Midnight
I agree with you. I'm not as impressed with Abram's take on Star Trek as many others seem to be. I'm willing see if the sequel changes my mind.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 1:53 pm to Master of Sinanju
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I agree with you. I'm not as impressed with Abram's take on Star Trek as many others seem to be. I'm willing see if the sequel changes my mind.
There have been "not good" TOS movies with the original cast (TMP is underrated, in my opinion, that was pure TOS, but it was a single episode stretched out to a feature length film), including with an original cast member directing (The Final Frontier? Anyone?).
Personally, as a fan of Star Trek (and that includes the entire film/television franchise up to and including Enterprise), I've always thought of it as an enduring fictional universe with internal problems that I overlook - the Mirror Universe, time travel paradoxes and the glaring differences between TOS Klingons and TNG/DS9 Klingons, and even the differences between TNG and DS9 Ferengi - but those are minor compared with the departures of the new franchise.
Star Wars, on the other hand, has always been episodic and reasonably throw away. I would have been concerned if the new "trilogy" had messed with Yoda, but most of the total crap that those movies were involved the deconstruction of Vader - prior to these movies was one of the finest fictional villians of all time, from any medium.
Now look at him. What will any new JJ Abrams' Star Wars films do to fix that? Make him darker? Darker than in Empire? Lens flares? Make him a smart-arse?
I think I've seen those plays and I have a defense for them.
This post was edited on 2/1/13 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 2/1/13 at 6:17 pm to boom roasted
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Jesus Tapdancing Christ, are you fricking dense? Clearly it's not the same Star Trek you grew up with and loved. It is NOT a Star Trek movie in the vein of Wrath of Khan. For frick's sake, I've already told you how to judge it: independently from the other films and the TV show. It is a standalone piece that borrows very little from the original world. fricking get over it.
Lot of "fricks" for someone calm, cool and collected.
You have no idea how many times I throw around the F bomb. 3 fricks in a paragraph are relatively calm.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 6:24 pm to Ace Midnight
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but those are minor compared with the departures of the new franchise.
Please list some. I truly don't see it as different than any of the previous iterations other than a young cast.
If you don't like the timeline change, you are just being obstinate because Old Trek played with the timeline constantly. Hell, Enterprise was nothing but a temporal time war.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:52 pm to TigerMyth36
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If you don't like the timeline change, you are just being obstinate because Old Trek played with the timeline constantly. Hell, Enterprise was nothing but a temporal time war.
I only watched a few episodes of Enterprise so I can't comment, but i have no interest in the new Trek. I didn't see the new Trek and the whole reboot idea doesn't sit well with me.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:25 pm to TigerMyth36
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Please list some. I truly don't see it as different than any of the previous iterations other than a young cast.
All of the characters are fundamentally different. Their strengths are gone - replaced by one-note jokes, "origin of" lines, and the strength of the relationships and mutual trust - which are the cornerstone of the original franchise is just non-existent - which was completely expected when they turned the project over to Abrams. The "young cast" is the least of the problems (though Pine and Saldana are clearly miscast, I think the potential was there with Quinto, Urban and Pegg - those three, in particular, seemed to care about the original characters - at least it appeared they tried within the confines of the material and I give special kudos to Quinto - a B grade as Spock in whatever version of Star Trek this is supposed to be.)
This post was edited on 2/1/13 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:38 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:I don't buy this at all.
All of the characters are fundamentally different.
First off this was an origin movie, so the relationships are just forming.
We don't really know how they formed in the old iteration, so it isn't ruining anything to see the story told this way.
Complaining about Uhura? That is funny. She had almost no role in the original show and she is responsible for the single most embarrassing scene in all of Star Trek with the humiliating fan dance.
Her character is negligible so casting eye candy is fine with me.
The movie goes full bore almost from the start so there wasn't much time to see Kirk's personality. He was banging hot chicks so he isn't too far off Shatner's Kirk.
Seems to me like you just want to hate the movie. I could spend hours trashing the plot but I had no problem with any of the cast and your few niggles don't even add up to much.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 10:32 pm to TigerMyth36
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I don't buy this at all.
Nobody is asking you to. It is my take. I'm being asked to forget TOS ever happened, which begs the question, "Why am I watching this movie, then?" Because I don't think it's a very good movie on its own and certainly not in the context of TOS.
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First off this was an origin movie, so the relationships are just forming.
Yeah, because we have to hear McCoy say, "I'm a doctor not a...", or Scotty say, "I've got to have x amount of time", Spock say, "This is not logical", etc. for the first time. THAT is much more interesting than the dynamics between the characters.
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We don't really know how they formed in the old iteration, so it isn't ruining anything to see the story told this way.
Really? We're playing this game?
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Complaining about Uhura? That is funny. She had almost no role in the original show and she is responsible for the single most embarrassing scene in all of Star Trek with the humiliating fan dance.
I'm not here to defend Star Trek V - that was a terrible movie. Uhura was an important character, in the context of the time. There was an opportunity to expand on that, and they decided to "sex" it up, and take Spock even further from his character's strengths.
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The movie goes full bore almost from the start so there wasn't much time to see Kirk's personality.
Star Trek is not about being "full bore". Watch "Balance of Terror" or, f*ck it, "A Space Seed" - THAT is what Star Trek is. Not Transformers, or some other such tripe.
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Seems to me like you just want to hate the movie.
I really didn't. I wanted to like it.
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I could spend hours trashing the plot
It's just not worth it at this point, although I got drawn in this thread.
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your few niggles don't even add up to much.
They do to me.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 10:41 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Further crock. There was plenty of dynamic and growth in the relationships in the movie.
Yeah, because we have to hear McCoy say, "I'm a doctor not a...", or Scotty say, "I've got to have x amount of time", Spock say, "This is not logical", etc. for the first time. THAT is much more interesting than the dynamics between the characters.
quote:Yes Indeed. We are. Tell me all of the origins we learned from TOS.
Really? We're playing this game?
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I'm not here to defend Star Trek V - that was a terrible movie. Uhura was an important character, in the context of the time. There was an opportunity to expand on that, and they decided to "sex" it up, and take Spock even further from his character's strengths.
So even though she had almost no lines or real importance you are upset they went with eye candy because in the context of the 60s it was important to have a black female on the bridge. Ok, I guess you wanted a gay male alien to further enlighten the bridge in the new iteration.
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Star Trek is not about being "full bore". Watch "Balance of Terror" or, f*ck it, "A Space Seed" - THAT is what Star Trek is. Not Transformers, or some other such tripe.
I love how you only mention the tv series. Did you hate the TOS movies because they all were similar with more action than the series.
I don't see any remote relationship between the new trek and transformers. You really are unhinged.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 10:53 pm to TigerMyth36
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I don't see any remote relationship between the new trek and transformers. You really are unhinged.
Just as Transformers, the entire 2009 Star Trek movie was a pretext for various formulaic action sequences - a space combat scene, a car chase, training montage, skydiving/melee combat, hand-to-hand, etc. There was no organic drive to the story - I could have overlooked a good bit of this (and spotted them another movie to flesh things out) if the story had been good. It didn't strike my fancy. I didn't find it to be any better than any Michael Bay or other mindless, thoughtless action movie.
They needed a fan base to target, they needed another Star Trek movie and they went for it. They were obviously successful, objectively, based on box office (because that's the only metric that counts anymore) and the opinions of both new Trek fans and many, many hardcore Trekkies. They just weren't successful with me.
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