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mograyback
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they can buy what only the middle class used to be able to buy.

Middle class use to live in one car, one TV, one garage, no computer, no cellphone households. Is that indicative of middle class today?


No need to preach to me, I'm going off of what SFP is saying.






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This has nothing to do with the budget. Forget who is getting what.

you have to look at the big spenders to see what policies we're borrowing in order to pursue

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everything you say about the greatness of our current society is made possible by stealing from people that haven't been born.

that's not true

it sounds harsh to say this, but older people are a drain on our societal resources. that's why the boomers and their parents didn't want to pay for them and pushed it off to my generation

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We borrow to keep banks and corporations that have failed afloat.

why did they pay back all of the TARP money then?






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texashorn
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So you're about 30 years old, and you're lecturing us that times were not much different in the 1950s, and tell anyone who did grow up in that era that they don't know what they're talking about when they lament the decline of our culture?

You also seem to be looking through the lens of 1950s television shows to get your feel of that decade; that is an artificial perspective, at best.






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TxTiger82
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I'm referring to the trashy culture that creates an air of permissiveness for people to openly act in a counterproductive fashion without significant behavior modifying repercussions.


That has always happened. The free riding problem is at the heart of any collective endeavor (and government is certainly that).






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No need to preach to me, I'm going off of what SFP is saying.


poor people today have computers, cell phones, etc






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TxTiger82
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we're borrow to keep old people alive moreso. it's a mean thing to say, but it's true


That and kill people in other countries.






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So you're about 30 years old, and you're lecturing us that times were not much different in the 1950s,

i can look at stats

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and tell anyone who did grow up in that era that they don't know what they're talking about when they lament the decline of our culture?

how about we talk to people who grew up in the 80s and post about how it was so safe that they didn't' have to lock their doors, when it was MANY TIMES more dangerous? should we trust what they have to say about the 80s?







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NC_Tigah
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No need to preach to me
Sweetie, I'm not preaching. Just laying out facts.

Res ipsa loquitur.







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That and kill people in other countries.

nation building has been a big drain

but we gain a benefit from a strong, international military...and it's a historical duty of the federal government (possibly it's most important)






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texashorn
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Stats are increasingly politicized, and I don't trust them. Sorry.

We've been told Social Security was just fine for decades. Do you believe that, too?






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TxTiger82
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but we gain a benefit from a strong, international military


Yes, ultimately I agree.

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and it's a historical duty of the federal government (possibly it's most important)


Defense is. Nation-building, as you called it, is not. But whatever, I'm not going to derail this thread. Just wanted to point out that military spending is up there with SS/Medicaid.

Carry on.






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mograyback
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why did they pay back all of the TARP money then?


That isn't completely true. For instance, Citigroup didn't pay back all of their end, the government took equity on it, we now own a fifth of that company. So now our government owns a company (see fascism).
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that's not true

it sounds harsh to say this, but older people are a drain on our societal resources. that's why the boomers and their parents didn't want to pay for them and pushed it off to my generation


I'm not sure what this has to do with my comment.

We are in fact borrowing from future generations to support today. It doesn't really matter if it's going to old people, to banks, to corporations... its a fact that our society is kept afloat by borrowing from tomorrow. Not just monetarily, but from nature as well. To say things like the poor aren't poor, we're progressing is neglecting other factors. You're neglecting that the only reason the poor aren't poor (in your opinion) is because we're cheating the game through borrowing/stealing.



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Stats are increasingly politicized, and I don't trust them. Sorry.

you think things like murder and teen pregnancy can be cooked?

i mean it's not even that it was a slight decrease. it's been a MAJOR decrease from the 80s/90s peak







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That isn't completely true. For instance, Citigroup didn't pay back all of their end, the government took equity on it, we now own a fifth of that company. So now our government owns a company (see fascism).

fair enough. but they all, collectively, paid back a LOT of it. they never even spent the huge arse numbers that were released.

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We are in fact borrowing from future generations to support today. It doesn't really matter if it's going to old people, to banks, to corporations... its a fact that our society is kept afloat by borrowing from tomorrow.

yeah but we're borrowing to keep people who aren't a part of the culture anymore, alive

you can't blame the culture or our societal status for something that has NOTHING to do with either







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mograyback
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nation building has been a big drain


You mean empire building, we're imperialists. If it was just nation building we wouldn't need 700 bases around the world.

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but we gain a benefit from a strong, international military...and it's a historical duty of the federal government (possibly it's most important)



Please don't call yourself a libertarian again, mmkay.







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mograyback
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yeah but we're borrowing to keep people who aren't a part of the culture anymore, alive

you can't blame the culture or our societal status for something that has NOTHING to do with eithe


They are members of this society and culture, even if they're old and not contributing anymore.

And if you think for a second that all of this borrowing is simply in the name of old people you're sadly mistaken.






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You mean empire building, we're imperialists.

we have a shitty empire b/c our colonies won't do what we tell them to do

iraq and afghanistan were absolute failures of nation building...mainly b/c their cultures are shite and if you give them freedom of democracy, they'll vote in an authoritarian

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If it was just nation building we wouldn't need 700 bases around the world.

pax americana

our military allows international trade to make the entire world better. that's the "good thing" i was referencing

there is a reason there hasn't been a major war since WW2. all the major conflicts are civil wars

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Please don't call yourself a libertarian again, mmkay.

i believe in freedom domestically and a strong military...along with a federal government that helps protect property and trade






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And if you think for a second that all of this borrowing is simply in the name of old people you're sadly mistaken.


those programs alone are about 35% of our federal spending



add in medicaid and the "war on terror" and its 58.561% of our spending



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mograyback
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i mean it's not even that it was a slight decrease. it's been a MAJOR decrease from the 80s/90s peak


Are you familiar with Huxleys Brave New World? If not here is a little recap of the book. LINK

Is there less crime because people are better or is it because there is infinitely more surveillance and police than in the 80s, even 90s. Today everything is on camera, and police are way more equipped to solving crimes, deterring some people from committing them. Is this an honest progression of society ? What happens if the cameras are shut off and the police are no longer paid, what happens then? Would we still see progression?







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texashorn
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Of course murder statistics can be cooked.

Find a dead homeless person on the street? "Natural causes."

The coroner might classify it as a murder, but the police won't necessarily do so.

Detroit police routinely underreport homicides
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The Detroit Police Department is systematically undercounting homicides, leading to a falsely low murder rate in a city that regularly ranks among the nation's deadliest, a Detroit News review of police and medical examiner records shows.

The police department incorrectly reclassified 22 of its 368 slayings last year as "justifiable" and did not report them as homicides to the FBI as required by federal guidelines. There were at least 59 such omissions over the past five years, according to incomplete records obtained from the police department through the Freedom of Information Act.

A thorough look at the 2008 homicide statistics reveals other omissions:

In one case, the police reclassified a homicide as a suicide.

Two men were stabbed to death, but were not included due to "insufficient evidence."

A man who was beaten to death, according to the medical examiner, died by accident, according to the police.

A baby beaten to death never made the homicide tally, nor did a man who was found shot in the head.


Detroit News






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