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I can't imagine how horrible that must be for the husband.





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That's exactly what the church is doing.


Uh, no.

There is nothing in this story about what the church itself is doing. This story is about what a hospital that happens to be owned by a Catholic-affiliated organization is doing.

There are plenty of Catholic-affiliated organizations that do things the Church itself does not approve of.






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This is like claiming that the state says it is okay to speed because a couple of cops decide on their own not to enforce speed limits.





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There is nothing in this story about what the church itself is doing


Here's the Archdiocese's press release
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The Catholic bishops of Colorado learned recently of the deaths of Lori Stodghill and her two unborn children, which took place at St. Thomas More Hospital in Cañon City, Colo. in 2006. We wish to extend our solidarity and sympathy to Lori’s husband Jeremy, and her daughter, Elizabeth. Please be assured of our ongoing prayers.

From the moment of conception, human beings are endowed with dignity and with fundamental rights, the most foundational of which is life.

Catholics and Catholic institutions have the duty to protect and foster human life, and to witness to the dignity of the human person—particularly to the dignity of the unborn. No Catholic institution may legitimately work to undermine fundamental human dignity.

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The Catholic bishops of Colorado are not able to comment on ongoing legal disputes. However, we will undertake a full review of this litigation, and of the policies and practices of Catholic Health Initiatives to ensure fidelity and faithful witness to the teachings of the Catholic Church.






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foshizzle
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Here's the Archdiocese's press release


And there you go. The Archdiocese is not agreeing with the lawyers, if anything it is reserving comment until after litigation is over. Which is the responsible thing to do, IMO.

Again, the lawyers for Catholic Health Initiatives do not define Church doctrine.






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The man should be sueing for 3 people. Some may call an unborn child a fetus, but in fact is a person.





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The kids were Protestants. They don't count.





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And the Colorado bishops are currently investigating this and will hammer them.


I hope you're right. Too many Catholic affiliated institutions, especially in the US, have been thumbing their nose at Church doctrine for far too long.






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This story is about what a hospital that happens to be owned by a Catholic-affiliated organization is doing.
What does "Cathoilic affiliated" mean? Is the hospital a private hospital owned by the Catholic church? If so, they answer to the Catholic church. If they're not owned by the Catholic church then you have a point. So, does the church own the hospital?






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I don't think catholic doctrine applies here this is a legal issue because you sue using the law and not opinion you can't argue opinion you must argue the law the law sees the fetus as a non-person I believe in every state so the plantif have no legal grounds to sue the hospital for any more then 1 person so it would seem legally the lawyers did the correct thing. Ill leave it up to the bishops to decide if they did the wrong thing in the eyes of god because I'm not sure. But legally they are spot on.





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I don't think catholic doctrine applies here this is a legal issue
We disagree. I would argue that in this case Catholic doctrine supercedes the legal issue.

Seems to me this would have been a great opportunity for the church to stand up for the unborn, even if it caused them to lose the lawsuit.






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What does "Cathoilic affiliated" mean?


That is an excellent question that I encourage you to research before leaping to conclusions.

Who knows ... maybe the legal team just didn't consult the archdiocese ahead of time? It could happen, every hospital deals with such suits on a daily basis.






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Sounds like lawyers were simply doing their job.


This. Misleading thread title is misleading.






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F Obama





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That is an excellent question that I encourage you to research before leaping to conclusions
It's your term, brosky, not mine. I assumed you knew what it meant when you used it.

Here's what you said:
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This story is about what a hospital that happens to be owned by a Catholic-affiliated organization is doing.

So what does Catholic affiliate mean? Does the church own the hospital? If not, what does it mean to be affiliated with the Catholic church ut not be owned by them?



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So what does Catholic affiliate mean?
It means exactly that. In healthcare, these are inevitably religious-lay partnerships providing faith-based ministry, education, charity, medicine, care, etc. to the population at large.
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Does the church own the hospital?
No.






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I don't disagree this would be a good opritunity to tabs up for life but legally they can win it and I don't know if purposely losing an argument is a good sacrifice or just stupid





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I don't disagree this would be a good opritunity to tabs up for life but legally they can win it and I don't know if purposely losing an argument is a good sacrifice or just stupid
Frankly, CNN and others are more than a little pathetic in raising the issue at all.

The expectation is that health services will be provided within domestic law. In some cases those legal constraints encumber care. In others they constitute care restriction. They may have in fact contributed to outcome in this case. However, when the organization presents its actions as within the law, it is savaged by anti-religious, anti-Catholic dweebs.







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ditto....ditto.....and ditto.





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CC is all smoke and mirrors. Islam=CC=Islam

They will merge one day soon together. What a nice thing that will be for the world.







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