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UGATiger26
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Neither do you. Do you have a position on what they chose? Or would you just say "they ended their own life. Good for them."?

Does having the ability to choose validate all choices?

In this story I see two people who sadly chose the option of ending their own existence because life became harder.

To me, that is a sad story.






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HempHead
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Does having the ability to choose validate all choices?


Individual validation of choice is all that matters when there are no third parties harmed.






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UGATiger26
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Individual validation of choice is all that matters when there are no third parties harmed


All things being equal, I agree. My position is influenced by spiritual beliefs however.

We will always be at an impasse in this regard.







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Tom288
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Neither do you. Do you have a position on what they chose? Or would you just say "they ended their own life. Good for them."?


Yes, I fully support their decision. If they felt like leaving peacefully was preferable to having to live without their hearing and sight then I'm glad they were in a position to have that wish fulfilled.

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Does having the ability to choose validate all choices?

In this story I see two people who sadly chose the option of ending their own existence because life became harder.

To me, that is a sad story.


It's sad that they were put in such a position, but you can't just look at life as the number of years you have. You have to take quality of life into account, and sometimes a person's quality of life can become so poor that passing away is the better option.



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TrueTiger
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A pair of adult identical twins in Belgium have been legally killed at their request


They had themselves put down like a couple of dogs.

How wonderful and enlightened!






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Joshjrn
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One can disagree with their decision yet be pleased that their government allowed them their right of self ownership in making their decision, just as you can condemn the actions of a mass murderer while lauding a government respecting the right to own firearms.


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UGATiger26
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One can disagree with their decision yet be pleased that their government allowed them their right of self ownership in making their decision, just as you can condemn the actions of a mass murderer while lauding a government respecting the right to own firearms.


I agree with all of this as well. I am not questioning the OP (as long as the government never facilitates suicide as well) I'm questioning their choice, again from a spiritual/existential perspective.



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CollegeFBRules
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I'm glad Belgium is permitting policies that reduce self-on-self gun crimes.





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RogerTheShrubber
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It's sad that they were put in such a position, but you can't just look at life as the number of years you have. You have to take quality of life into account, and sometimes a person's quality of life can become so poor that passing away is the better option.



Maybe, but I can't imagine being dead better than being alive outside of dealing with incredible, and permanent pain.

Everyone has the option to take themselves out anytime they choose. Just can't publicly plan it without some interference.






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mtntiger
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They're blind and deaf. They obviously would need help from someone.


Being blind and deaf does not make one completely dependent upon someone else. Again, did they not have knives in their apartment that they could have used to slit their wrists? No meds to OD on? No gun? Don't need help for any of those things.

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Does it matter if it's a doctor?


Yes, it does. Ending someone's life is called homicide. This is not the same as pulling the plug on someone whose life is going to end naturally due to injury or disease. That is simply letting nature take its course.

To inject someone else with a lethal dose of a drug is taking that person's life. No way around it.

Why does it have to be a doctor? Why can't you just have a friend put a shot through your skull? Push you in front of a train? Force feed you some Drano? Stab you in the heart a few times with a chef's knife? Is there really a difference?






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UGATiger26
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Yes, it does. Ending someone's life is called homicide. This is not the same as pulling the plug on someone whose life is going to end naturally due to injury or disease. That is simply letting nature take its course. Why does it have to be a doctor? Why can't you just have a friend put a shot through your skull? Push you in front of a train? Force feed you some Drano? Stab you in the heart a few times with a chef's knife? Is there really a difference?


That's why I say as long as government does not facilitate it.

Although it saddens me to see these two men choose to end their lives and a doctor who helped them end it, I would hope that the doctor could have said "no."

The moment government tells a doctor that they MUST assist someone kill themselves, I would have a HUGE problem.



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germandawg
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More twisting of facts to forward your agenda. And you would balk at my calling you a hypocrite.

No one forced these individuals to end their lives. From what I can tell, no one, much less the government, so much as mentioned that they should do so. Two adults made what I imagine was a very well informed decision that they felt was best for them.

This thread is merely another example of "small government conservatives" being anything but.


There is nothing that most modern day conservatives hate worse than the idea of smaller government. They love the idea of using the state to force their values on others. The only thing remotely conservative about them is that they don't want to foot the bill for the expenses the Government incurs forcing kids to pray in school and making certain adults do not have any control over their own bodies.






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HempHead
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Why does it have to be a doctor? Why can't you just have a friend put a shot through your skull? Push you in front of a train? Force feed you some Drano? Stab you in the heart a few times with a chef's knife? Is there really a difference?



If both parties agree to it...what is the problem?






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Joshjrn
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Why does it have to be a doctor? Why can't you just have a friend put a shot through your skull? Push you in front of a train? Force feed you some Drano? Stab you in the heart a few times with a chef's knife? Is there really a difference?


Does it made you feel good that someone suffered extreme pain in their suicide than if they would just go painlessly?

Sadist.






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RogerTheShrubber
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There is nothing that most modern day conservatives hate worse than the idea of smaller government.








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