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Powerman 
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:34 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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i can't believe gonzo only had 3, 10 TD seasons. that's kind of shocking to me
How common are 10 TD seasons for tight ends?
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GynoSandberg 
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:35 pm to PortCityTiger24)
Yeah, it's easily Gonzo. I wish he wouldn't retire. His numbers would be more sick than what they are
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Baloo
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:37 pm to Powerman)
I think both are in the top 3 of their position all time. Both are slam dunk, no question, first ballot Hall of Famers.
I do think this recent trend on the board to try and discredit Ray Lewis' greatness is cute, but silly. Lewis is Mike Singletary reborn.
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Powerman
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:37 pm to GynoSandberg)
From wikipedia
Career receiving yards for a tight end (14,268 as of December 30, 2012)
Career receptions for a tight end (1,242 as of December 30, 2012)
Career TD receptions for a tight end (104 as of January 20, 2013)
Most seasons with 1,000+ receiving yards by a tight end (4)
Most consecutive seasons with 2+ touchdowns (16) - 1997-2012 - tied with Irving Fryar, 1985-2000 and Marcus Allen, 1982-1997
Most consecutive seasons with 2+ touchdown receptions (16) - 1997-2012 - tied with Irving Fryar, 1985-2000
Most consecutive seasons with 30+ receptions (16) - 1997-2012
Most consecutive seasons with 40+ receptions (15) - 1998-2012
Most consecutive seasons with 50+ receptions (15) - 1998-2012
Most consecutive seasons with 60+ receptions (14) - 1999-2012
Most consecutive seasons with 70+ receptions (10) - 2003-2012 - tied with Tim Brown
Most seasons with 70+ receptions (13) - 1999-2001, 2003-2012 - tied with Jerry Rice
Most consecutive seasons with 500+ yards receiving (15) - 1998-2012 - tied with Terrell Owens
Most consecutive starts by a tight end (120)
Pro Bowl All-Time leader in Receptions (42)
Pro Bowl All-Time leader in Touchdowns (6)
Second most receptions for any position in the NFL
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Powerman
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:40 pm to Powerman)
In addition to all of those receiving stats Gonzales was a pretty solid run blocker in his prime
He was a big part of the Chiefs running attack a few years back when they were actually good
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BoardReader 
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:43 pm to Powerman)
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How common are 10 TD seasons for tight ends?
More common than 10 TD seasons for -any- receiver in a Kansas City Chief uniform.
The guy spent better than a decade playing for essentially a semi-pro franchise.
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RonBurgundy
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:44 pm to Baloo)
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do think this recent trend on the board to try and discredit Ray Lewis' greatness is cute, but silly.
Not trying to discredit Lewis, but his retirement is of much fanfare, while Gonzalez is just a blurb.
More of bringing light to how great Gonzalez was and comparing his greatness to Lewis's is relevant considering they are both retiring. If it were Manning instead of Lewis, I'd compare him to Gonzalez.
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Baloo
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:46 pm to RonBurgundy)
And Gonzalez is undeniably great. I'm just saying, there's been a rash of threads on this board trying to say Lewis isn't that great, and that's just silly.
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RonBurgundy
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:49 pm to Baloo)
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. I'm just saying, there's been a rash of threads on this board trying to say Lewis isn't that great, and that's just silly.
Well ESPN basically shut down when Ray Lewis decided to retire, so if they over-covered it a backlash is to be expected.
Gonzalez is getting a fraction of the love Lewis received and he, by all accounts, is a stand up guy (or just hasn't been caught yet).
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PortCityTiger24 
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:51 pm to RonBurgundy)
I've met Gonzalez a few times. He is the same dude that you see in the interviews. Down to earth and cool as hell.
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baytiger
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:55 pm to RonBurgundy)
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I say Gonzalez and it's not close.
it's really not. Gonzales is top 1 ever, Lewis is lucky to be in the top 10.
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SeeeeK 
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:55 pm to PortCityTiger24)
Lewis he'll go down as one of the best LB, of all time.
There are TE's, who if both were in their prime, i'd rather have , than Gonzales.
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Lester Earl
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:56 pm to Sophandros)
I'd take TG too, but I think it is just easier to put his career in perspective because he is an offensive player and his statistics are easier to quantify.
Btw I wouldn't rag on his QBs, it always seemed like he had decent guys throwing him the ball. He was pretty much the only receiving option for years.
As far as Lewis, I think he got a lot of pub because he always called attention to himself. I think he was great, but only truly elite for a few years. Back around when they won the Super Bowl. It seemed for like a short stretch he did made every play on that defense. Forcing fumbles, intercepting balls, etc. He always got a lot of kudos whether he was playing good or not, because of the way he played during that stretch, and because of the way Balt's D led them to the win in that SB. Won't get into the fact that he always had great players playing next to him. But he always got the credit even when he was too slow to make plays late in his career
This post was edited on 1/21 at 3:03 pm
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Sophandros
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:59 pm to Baloo)
I agree with you on the irrational Lewis hate, but in this thread, we're talking about greatness at their respective position.
Lewis is in the discussion for greatest ever MLB.
Gonzalez IS the greatest TE ever. There is no discussion.
That's the difference, and it's clearly not an insult against Lewis.
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RandySavage
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:59 pm to Sophandros)
Lewis for sure. Top 5 LB to ever play the game and more importantly the leader of one of the best defensive units the NFL has ever seen.
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bayoujd
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 2:59 pm to RonBurgundy)
Gonzalez by a mile
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beaver 
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:01 pm to SeeeeK)
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There are TE's, who if both were in their prime, i'd rather have , than Gonzales.
Who? Did you even see Gonzalez in his prime? He is number 2 all time in receptions (that includes WR)...he is undeniably the greatest TE in the history of the NFL
This really isn't a question, it has to be Tony
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Cajun Invasion
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:04 pm to RonBurgundy)
Gonzo is the right answer here. When people talk about the great TEs Gonzo is always the first mentioned.
Same cant be said about Ray, top 5 for him.
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SabiDojo 
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:13 pm to RonBurgundy)
Tony G. There is no question about it.
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Chad504boy
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| re: Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez? (Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:13 pm to RonBurgundy)
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Greater at their position:Ray Lewis or Tony Gonzalez?
sprinkle in some randy moss.
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