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As long as we give people welfare like we currently are almost all manufacturing jobs are going to be outsourced. It sucks but it's just the way it is.





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cigsmcgee
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Here’s what Romney said on October 25th, 3 days later in response:
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“I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China. I will fight for every good job in America, I’m going to fight to make sure trade is fair.”


what about this proves your point? he tried to fearmonger that jeep would be outsourcing. didnt happen. all they did was reopen a plant in china that already existed after creating 2000 american jobs in the past few months.

cant believe you actually thought you had a boom moment.






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carbola
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Politifact DID NOT misquote Romney. You're not being honest.


Give or take. The chopped the first part of his quote out to distort what he was saying and make it "the lie of the year".

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And I doubt it has escaped anybody's notice, certainly not mine, that you've now changed your line of attack against Politifact.


I agree with you (:yak:) to an extent on this.

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Romney's CLEAR implication in his stump speech in Defiance and then in his ads was that Chrysler was moving production away from Ohio at the expense of American jobs.


Just like Obama's clear message here was that he would have the economy back on track by 2012 right?

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Mr. Obama said in an NBC interview that in early 2009 when he said, “If I don’t have this done in three years, than this is going to be a one-term proposition,”






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cigsmcgee
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Mr. Obama said in an NBC interview that in early 2009 when he said, “If I don’t have this done in three years, than this is going to be a one-term proposition,”


he did lie. he got re-elected.






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NC_Tigah
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Politifact DID NOT misquote Romney. You're not being honest.


Where did I say Politifact misquoted Romney?
Did I say that?
If I did, it was a misstatement.
PolitiFact did not misquote Romney. FactCheckorg did.
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And I doubt it has escaped anybody's notice, certainly not mine, that you've now changed your line of attack against Politifact.
Rex, why do you do this. You are bright enough to know better.

The PolitiFact OP rightly represented MR's statement. "Barack Obama sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China at the cost of American jobs." That was PolitiFact's supposed "Lie of the Year." But actually it was a completely true statement on Romney's part. True, and prescient. The Italians are going to build Jeeps in China at the cost of American jobs. Period. PolitiFact's 'Lie of the Year' turned out to be True

WildTchoupitoulas then posted from FactCheck that "Mitt Romney falsely claimed in a recent speech Jeep was thinking of moving all US production to China.” Romney did not say that. The Chrysler-Asia COO did say it. At least he was publicly quoted as saying it. FactCheck.org lied. Facts are stubborn things.

So as clarification and summary, to the best of my knowledge, PolitiFact did not lie about what MR said. However, WildTchoup's "FactCheck" source did. PolitiFact did characterize MR's foreboding that Fiat would choose to expand Jeep production in China, not in the US as a "lie". Not only was it not a lie, but after only 4 months it's been proven true.






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Vegas Bengal
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You're wrong NC and your refusal to admit you're wrong in the face of all evidence at times is surprising given your profession.

I'm on my phone so any links I provide will be mobile. Here is the Nationa Journal: LINK

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Romney provoked an outcry after he told a crowd in Defiance, Ohio on Thursday: “I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China. I will fight for every good job in America.”


Here is the Toledo Blade http://m.toledoblade.com/Politics/2012/10/26/Romney-worries-about-Jeep-going-to-China.html



That's the exact quote politifact used. You're wrong. The weekly standard is wrong and you should know better than to trust a right wing extremist rag for accuracy.



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NC_Tigah
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You're wrong NC
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The PolitiFact OP rightly represented MR's statement. "Barack Obama sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China at the cost of American jobs." That was PolitiFact's supposed "Lie of the Year." But actually it was a completely true statement on Romney's part. True, and prescient. The Italians are going to build Jeeps in China at the cost of American jobs. Period. PolitiFact's 'Lie of the Year' turned out to be True



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That's the exact quote politifact used. You're wrong.
It is indeed exactly the quote politifact used. You're confused.






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NC_Tigah
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Romney provoked an outcry after he told a crowd in Defiance, Ohio on Thursday: “I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China. I will fight for every good job in America.”
FWIW. The quote you provided was both accurate and true too. It was not the Politifact "lie of the year" quote though. It is the basis of Factcheck's lie. If Factcheck.org had provided the quote above, I'd have had no problem with it. That statement by Romney was true and indisputable. Factcheck said Romney himself had claimed "Jeep is thinking of moving all production to China." That is simply not true.






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Vegas Bengal
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You will bend over backwards, twist and contort so as not to admit you're wrong. Did you even read politifact?

This all started with a Bloomberg article which accurately stated Jeep would be opening a plant in China. Romney took that article and twisted the facts into a lie and said they'd be moving all production there. It was a lie and he, like you, refuse to admit it. Politifact uses that quote. I don't care how many times you say they don't, they do.

Then Romney puts out an ad that doesn't go as far as his outright lie. It only implies it. And here's what politifact says:
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PolitiFact rated it Pants on Fire because it "strings together facts in a way that presents an wholly inaccurate picture."


You claim that while Romney lied in his speech, he didn't lie in his ad so he didn't lie. You sound lie Te'o trying to explain his catfish story.

Everyone knew about the factory opening in China. It was in the original Bloomberg article. It's a factory that opened in China in the late 80s and shut down about 10 years ago bc of poor sales in China. It made jeeps in china for china. Now with sales up, it's reopening. No American is losing his job over it. Romney was saying and suggesting otherwise.

Btw it's the "lie of the year" not bc it's the biggest but because it was the costliest. Local media in Ohio ripped Romney to shreds about it. I listen to the Wilcow Majority and Republicans in Ohio were calling in furious with Romney saying this is killing him there. But as you now realize the man and his staff were tone deaf.






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NC_Tigah
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You will bend over backwards, twist and contort so as not to admit you're wrong. Did you even read politifact?
What are you talking about? I've directly quoted politifact several times here.
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This all started with a Bloomberg article which accurately stated Jeep would be opening a plant in China
No.
The Bloomberg article (which I've also quoted and linked here) claimed Jeep was considering moving ALL JEEP PRODUCTION to China. Romney correctly quoted Bloomberg in his speech. Romney did not "lie in his speech" (which I've also linked).

You are confused.



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Rex
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You're not that naive. You're scrambling. This is about the third time you've changed your line of attack. This thread was supposed to be about Politifact, not Factcheck.org.

Politifact, Chrysler, Ohioans, and just about everybody else knew that Chrysler wanted to expand Jeep production into China. Romney used an article he knew misrepresented their plans to attempt to provoke a crowd in Defiance. Promoting a falsehood when you know it's a falsehood is a LIE. Romney lied.







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cigsmcgee
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The Bloomberg article (which I've also quoted and linked here) claimed Jeep was considering moving ALL JEEP PRODUCTION to China. Romney correctly quoted Bloomberg in his speech. Romney did not "lie in his speech" (which I've also linked).


none of this is true.

this is from the ORIGINAL BLOOMBERG ARTICLE

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Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.


LINK



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LSUgusto
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“I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China"
There is no lie in that statement. There were indeed stories suggesting that Jeep intended to move all production to China. They originated with Bloomberg News.
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...earlier reports led to misleading claims in the media it was planning to shift all Jeep production to China
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Bloomberg acknowledges they were the source for Romney's "lie", but damned if I can find the original article... Funny, that.


Bloomberg:
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Romney’s Toledo ad cites an Oct. 22 Bloomberg News story about Fiat’s discussions with Guangzhou.
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cigsmcgee
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There is no lie in that statement. There were indeed stories suggesting that Jeep intended to move all production to China. They originated with Bloomberg News.


this is only because idiots didnt understand that the article was about what was sold in CHINA, not the entirety of Jeeps worldwide.

Romney quoted without context, the people of Ohio called bullshite, and the ad probably cost him the state, not that it would have mattered.

it was cheap politics.






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LSUgusto
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Found it!

Bloomberg:
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Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.
LINK






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Antonio Moss
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Of all the blatant lies told during the campaigns, Polifact chooses this one? This isn't even that bad compared to most of what was said.





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LSUgusto
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This isn't even that bad compared to most of what was said.
I agree. I'm sure there were much bigger whoppers told by both guys. But, as Vegas pointed out, this one connected in a key state. Too bad it was media manufactured, rather than an actual, sizable "lie" worthy of widespread consternation. The "lie of the year" was a media-generated lie.






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cigsmcgee
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Found it!


you just made the same mistake the Romney campaign made. they failed to keep reading the article to the point where they clearly state they are adding production.

ALL means ALL CHINESE models. imports cost too much. if you want to sell cars in china, you make them in china.






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LSUgusto
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you just made the same mistake the Romney campaign made
So, Romney made a mistake. Do you see how that's different than "lie of the year"?






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mmcgrath
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Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.


They were saying that they were thinking about making all of their models in that country, as in to sell to that region. Romney knew the truth to this and misrepresented it. To try to get Romney by on a what "is" is argument ala Bill Clinton - Monica Leinsky is kinda weird and freaking me out.

Kinda funny, because at the Toyota dealership not too long ago they had to mention that the FJ Cruiser was the one model made entirely in Japan. I think everything else that is sold regionally is made regionally.






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