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matthew25
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So, the USA jobs are still safe?





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Vegas Bengal
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This is nothing new. In fact Romney tried to squirm out of his lie by crawfishing and saying open a plant and not move plants as he originally said.

This jeep plant has been in china for years. It's reopening






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carbola
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From Polifact LINK

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A number of readers emailed us this week about news reports that Chrysler is moving forward with a partnership in China to produce Jeeps. They wondered: Doesn’t that disprove our Lie of the Year -- that Mitt Romney said Barack Obama "sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China" at the cost of American jobs?

No, it doesn’t.

We were clear in our original Oct. 29 fact-check and our Dec. 12 Lie of the Year story that Jeep intended to build cars in China to sell in the Chinese market. News reports this week don't really say anything new. They simply say that Jeep is going ahead with that plan.

Our story focused on the clear message of the Romney campaign’s ad, that jobs in the United States were being moved to China, or perhaps that Jeep was moving its entire operations to China. That is not the case and has never been the case.






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ImperialPalace
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We were clear in our original Oct. 29 fact-check and our Dec. 12 Lie of the Year story that Jeep intended to build cars in China to sell in the Chinese market. News reports this week don't really say anything new. They simply say that Jeep is going ahead with that plan. Our story focused on the clear message of the Romney campaign’s ad, that jobs in the United States were being moved to China, or perhaps that Jeep was moving its entire operations to China. That is not the case and has never been the case.
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In a nutshell, the Weekly Standard is full of shite.






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ironsides
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Message Posted by matthew25 So, the USA jobs are still safe?


And Jeep won't be IMPORTING cars to the US?






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GetBackToWork
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The lie of 2012 ought to be how many times Obama supporters said Obama hasn't raised your taxes or tried to take your guns.





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catnip
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Did Jeep move it's US production to China or did Jeep just start producing Jeeps in China in addition to its US production?


We can add something to that to make it seem its not the whole truth. That would be the lib version of an explanation. Dems know how to strain a message to defend the cause, you bet. Look at everything the media leaves out of a quote to smear a republican. 100,000 jeeps from China is not that much, Eh? So there must be some made here to alter that story a little.






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EthanL
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So basically this thread, the Weekly Standard, and the initial comments/posts along with their collective flee is an abject

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TrueTiger
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So, the USA jobs are still safe?


Only until the robots take them.







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Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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Bumped for shiggles





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Janky
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I also remember Mitt talking about terrorist in Mali and being laughed at. Well, what do you know.





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cwill
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Weekly Standard is reaching on this and basically distorting the facts of what was said and what has actually happened.

However, it's silly of politicact to consider romney's shading of the truth as the biggest lie of 2012.






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NC_Tigah
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Non-issue.

I got this off FactCheck.org:

Romney Distorts Facts on Jeep, Auto Bailout

Posted on October 29, 2012 , Updated on October 31, 2012

Mitt Romney falsely claimed in a recent speech that “Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China.”
No he didn't.

That is simply False.

Totally False.

Embarrassingly False.

The fact that folks are still quoting this, or relying on duplicitous biased sources like "policheck" or "factcheck" or "mediamatters" is flatly amazing!

.........

On October 22, 2012 Bloomberg came out with the following article
quote:

BLOOMBERG

Fiat Says Jeep Output May Return to China as Demand Rises
By Craig Trudell - Oct 22, 2012 11:10 AM ET

Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.
Fiat is in “very detailed conversations” with its Chinese partner, Guangzhou Automobile Group Co. (2238), about making Jeeps in the world’s largest auto market, said Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia. Chrysler hasn’t built Jeeps there since before Fiat took control in 2009.

“The volume opportunity for us is very significant,” Manley, who is also president of the Jeep brand, said in an interview at Chrysler’s Auburn Hills, Michigan, headquarters. “We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.”

Chrysler, which entered an alliance with Turin, Italy-based Fiat as part of its U.S. government-backed bankruptcy, is relying on growth in China to counter weakness in Europe’s auto market. The automaker is targeting 500,000 annual sales outside North America by 2014, more than triple its overseas deliveries in 2009.
Here’s what Romney said on October 25th, 3 days later in response:
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I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China. I will fight for every good job in America, I’m going to fight to make sure trade is fair.”

The OP refers to Romney's assessment that Chrysler, instead of creating jobs here, was planning to add jobs overseas. It doesn't refer to Romney's also COMPLETELY FACTUAL COMMENTS regarding the Oct 22nd Bloomberg article.

Romney never personally asserted Jeep was considering moving all production to China. Bloomberg and Mike Manley, COO of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia said that.

However if you want to start a separate thread on the press bastardizing Romney's reference to a Chrysler-Asia COO's quote, we can certainly do that too. Just horrible.



This post was edited on 1/19 at 1:31 pm


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Rex
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No he didn't.

That is simply False.

Totally False.

Embarrassingly False.



Congratulations on the FAIL thread of the year so far.






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WildTchoupitoulas
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The fact that folks are still quoting this, or relying on duplicitous biased sources like "policheck" or "factcheck" or "mediamatters" is flatly amazing!

Okay, whatever, you disregard my link and expect me to regard yours.

Personally I don't listen to stump speeches, so I don't know what the frick he said. I doubt you heard every single speech he gave, so you don't know what the frick he said either.

Everything is a biased, duplicitous source, so I guess we can just disregard everything.

...especially the idea that that was some kind of "lie of the year". Yeah, that doesn't show any bias right there.






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Roaad
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The OP refers to Romney's on assessments that Chrysler, instead of creating jobs here, was planning to add jobs overseas.” It doesn't refer to Romney's also COMPLETELY FACTUAL COMMENTS regarding the Oct 22nd Bloomberg article.






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Roaad
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you disregard my link and expect me to regard yours.
your link chops his quote up.

NC provided the entire quote.

Your link, by virtue of the clear edit, is obviously deceptive.






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NC_Tigah
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Okay, whatever, you disregard my link and expect me to regard yours.
I did not disregard it. I discredited it. Information in it was categorically false. My source is the Romney speech and the Romney Ad. No interpretation required. Just simple facts.
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Personally I don't listen to stump speeches, so I don't know what the frick he said.
Well that's a bit salient since he didn't say what your source claimed he said. Here's his speech.
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Everything is a biased, duplicitous source, so I guess we can just disregard everything.
If they misquote, and then use their own misquote to go after the misquoted candidate as if he said it? Yep, I'll tend to disregard that source.






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Cruiserhog
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No he didn't.

That is simply False.

Totally False.

Embarrassingly False.




Congratulations on the FAIL thread of the year so far.





Yeah you pretty much need to stop posting in this thread Tigah because its not going well for you and you are looking like you have reading comprehension skillz of a 6 year old and the political haterz ratio of Limbaugh






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Rex
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Politifact DID NOT misquote Romney. You're not being honest.

And I doubt it has escaped anybody's notice, certainly not mine, that you've now changed your line of attack against Politifact. You began the thread with some kind of wishful gotcha but when you were shown that Politifact NEVER said Chrysler wouldn't be producing Jeeps in China you changed it to some literal word defense of Romney... "I heard a story".... That's quite a laugh. Romney's CLEAR implication in his stump speech in Defiance and then in his ads was that Chrysler was moving production away from Ohio at the expense of American jobs. Inasmuch as Ohio was so important to the election and almost every news organization and fact check organization called it a pants on fire lie Politifact was entirely justified in calling it the Lie of the Year. And the Weekly Standard is full of shite.






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