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AlaTiger
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Also, your comments on the economy are... hilariously sad. The boomers dug their own grave (it's a shame, because they also dug the grave of this country at the same time).


Yes, they were selfish and only cared about the moment. That was illustrated through running up massive debt, bankrupting the country, destroying our future, and wait for it . . . free love and sex without consequence and abortion on demand.

The whole thing goes together. Abortion is a symptom of the larger disease. It is not a positive good for society. It is a symptom of the sickness that is killing us. And, for the 50 million babies aborted, they never had a chance to try and fix things.

You are the one who is simplistic and see things in black and white. All that you can is "welfare is bad, therefore it is good to have aborted babies who would have ended up on welfare." Absolutely no complexity there, is there? If you are a potential problem, it is better to get rid of you. Warped thinking, dude.






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If you're 17 and pregnant, no income, having a baby will screw you for life (and in most cases the baby too). That is just one example. If you're not in position to take care of a baby you and society are usually better off having the abortion and having a child later in life when you're more prepared.



So in your scenario, the 17 year old mother would be incapable of taking care of her own self regardless of whether she keeps the baby or not and is also a drain on society. Should we kill her too?






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mograyback
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Yes, they were selfish and only cared about the moment. That was illustrated through running up massive debt, bankrupting the country, destroying our future, and wait for it . . . free love and sex without consequence and abortion on demand.

The whole thing goes together. Abortion is a symptom of the larger disease. It is not a positive good for society. It is a symptom of the sickness that is killing us. And, for the 50 million babies aborted, they never had a chance to try and fix things.

You are the one who is simplistic and see things in black and white. All that you can is "welfare is bad, therefore it is good to have aborted babies who would have ended up on welfare." Absolutely no complexity there, is there? If you are a potential problem, it is better to get rid of you. Warped thinking, dude.


This was hilarious. Free love and sex was why they spent future generations money?

Actually there was complexity in my view of abortion, sorry your linear mind couldn't pick it up.







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AFtigerFan
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That's why I said it is a separate issue than the pro-life or pro-choice argument.

In Freakanomics, it explains through regression analysis the correlation between legalized abortion and the decreased crime rates. It had to do with many low-income minority women having abortions, where as before it was legal, their children were more likely to be the ones commiting violent crimes. The author also does not take a stance on whether he thinks abortions are right or wrong, he just highlighted the correlation I mentioned before.

It's an interesting read (the book has a lot more than just the abortion issue), but it doesn't have to sway one's opinion of what is right or wrong.

The only point I was making is the argument is interesting, and you can be pro-life and still listen to someone who has valid points. Listening to those points does not mean it overrides the morality issue. Actually listening to someone doesn't make you "confused" either, as one poster said before.






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mograyback
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So in your scenario, the 17 year old mother would be incapable of taking care of her own self regardless of whether she keeps the baby or not and is also a drain on society. Should we kill her too?


How did I say she couldn't take care of herself? And at that point she is still under her parents watch.

I was saying her trajectory for life would be greatly hampered if she had a kid at 17, before she was able to financially support it.



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How did I say she couldn't take care of herself? And at that point she is still under her parents watch.


You said she had no income, but maybe that's some of your,"linear" thinking?!






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mograyback
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You said she had no income, but maybe that's some of your,"linear" thinking?!


Wow. Reason number 112 why online forums are a joke.

You completely missed the point. She is still under her parents watch at that point, she may have some job for spending money, who knows.. having a baby in those circumstances drastically changes the trajectory of her life, that was the point.



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roscoe mike
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I don't understand why you assume every aborted baby would be on welfare. Even with 10% unemployment, which is high, that would be 40-50 million more taxpayers and consumer spenders that would be part of the engine that drives any economy.





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Wow. Reason number 112 why online forums are a joke. You completely missed the point. She is still under her parents watch at that point, she may have some job for spending money, who knows.. having a baby in those circumstances drastically changes the trajectory of her life, that was the point.



Backup wise guy. Your original post were talking about welfare mothers and their lack of the ability to care for an unexpected child, and thus the child would become a ward of welfare state. Well, the type of people who you are talking about are generally black, don't have two parents and are already in the welfare system. So by your own definition, they too would be deserving of being murdered. And if we go with your premise that the 17 year old has parents and and a support system, why wouldn't they help with the child until the girl was able?






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Poodlebrain
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It's ugly, it sucks, it is killing, but it is what it is. Had we pumped out an additional 50 million babies of which most would be dependent on the government, it would be chaos.
You assume that society would not have adjusted to accomodate 50 million additional people. What makes you think society would have tolerated 50 million additional welfare recipients? Wouldn't some politicians have used those additional people as justification for policies that we haven't considered? You constantly make assumptions that people do not react to conditions in any manner, much less in reasonable manners, when it suits your purpose. Yet you call for reactions to other conditions, such as assault weapon bans, when conditions seem appropriate for your cause.

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If you're 17 and pregnant, no income, having a baby will screw you for life (and in most cases the baby too). That is just one example. If you're not in position to take care of a baby you and society are usually better off having the abortion and having a child later in life when you're more prepared.
Or it's possible that the 17 year old learns that she can be irresponsible, and she continues to make selfish decisions for the rest of her life. Thus when she eventually has those children you think she would be better prepared for she might not know any better and teach her children the value system that she learned which will perpetuate dependence on government.






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AlaTiger
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This was hilarious. Free love and sex was why they spent future generations money? Actually there was complexity in my view of abortion, sorry your linear mind couldn't pick it up.


Oh. I get it now. You're a college freshman and just heard someone talk about linear thinking and now you are applying it everywhere and to everything like you know what you're talking about.

Gotcha.

That also explains the complete irrationality of your argument.






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AlaTiger
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I don't understand why you assume every aborted baby would be on welfare. Even with 10% unemployment, which is high, that would be 40-50 million more taxpayers and consumer spenders that would be part of the engine that drives any economy.


Exactly. Even if 30 million of the the 50 million became productive citizens and got jobs and created wealthy (likely), that improves the economy greatly.

All he can see is that every baby aborted was black and its single mom was on welfare and that society is better off without that burden. And, then he says that the rest of us are making simplistic arguments.






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AlaTiger
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You assume that society would not have adjusted to accomodate 50 million additional people. What makes you think society would have tolerated 50 million additional welfare recipients? Wouldn't some politicians have used those additional people as justification for policies that we haven't considered? You constantly make assumptions that people do not react to conditions in any manner, much less in reasonable manners, when it suits your purpose. Yet you call for reactions to other conditions, such as assault weapon bans, when conditions seem appropriate for your cause.


Oh, you simplistic linear thinkers with your . . . . no, wait. You are actually making a complex argument that allows for deviation from the predictive path because you 50 MILLION independent actors who might not make the same choices that their parents did.

Actually, the last part of your statement is absolutely correct. The presence of abortion just breeds more irresponsibility, thus perpetuating the problem.






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LordoftheManor
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Would you prefer these future food stampers be born?



Begging the question at its finest. I'd prefer to give them a fair shake.



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ljhog
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It always kills me when far righties bring up the abortion thing.


wasn't it Barak Obama who said anything we can do to save the life of a child we should do??






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