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re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency

Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:23 pm to
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
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Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:23 pm to
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When he has been motivated, Aminu is arguably as good or better defensively. He's a much better rebounder than Ariza and with our bigs who don't rebound well, that is crucial to our defense. When his head is in the game, Aminu is arguably an elite defender.


Not arguing but do you have any stats to back up the elite defender thing...advanced metrics perhaps?
Posted by BrowDown
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Oct 2012
497 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:27 pm to
FWIW, Darius Miller last game in the D league:

6/10, 14 pts. 2/4 from 3 in 23 minutes
This post was edited on 1/18/13 at 5:27 pm
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:28 pm to
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Not arguing but do you have any stats to back up the elite defender thing...advanced metrics perhaps?


No, I don't. I'm not really a fan of advanced metrics in basketball. I am only going off of watching him play.
Posted by drake20
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:31 pm to
Ariza is horrible...Webster and Brewer--we could sign them as backups. it doesn't really improve the team significantly, imo.

if 3 is the position we've decided is our big need, and we have a lot of cap space, it would be nice to get someone better, or at least a young player with some promise.

Iggy is too much, and not playing well...I think of Josh Smith as more of a PF...he would have to play majority 3 on the Hornets.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
70755 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:33 pm to
Again, what type of player are you expecting.

Outside of Lebron and Durant, who are considered to be elite 3's?

Gay?
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:34 pm to
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next best thing


quote:

a guy like Webster for $6-8M


does not compute a that price

you do realize that after 7 years in the NBA, martell webster's closest players in Similarity Score on Basketball Reference include such luminaries as Rasual Butler, Thabo Sefalosha, and Downtown Devin Brown?
Posted by drake20
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:34 pm to
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Outside of Lebron and Durant, who are considered to be elite 3's?



i didn't say anything about elite....there's a lot of room between elite and webster/brewer
Posted by BrowDown
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Oct 2012
497 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:34 pm to
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Not arguing but do you have any stats to back up the elite defender thing...advanced metrics perhaps?


It's hard to find overall "defensive" stats, but here's proof of what we already know: AFA is a ridiculous rebounder:

LINK

That should work. If not, sort by Small Forwards and look at the offensive and defensive rebound rates for AFA

League average for ORR: 5.3
AFA: 6.9

League average for DRR: 14.8
AFA: 24.0
This post was edited on 1/18/13 at 5:36 pm
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
40925 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:38 pm to
Holy balls
Posted by BrowDown
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Oct 2012
497 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:38 pm to
Bigger shock:

AFA's "true shooting %" (weighted for three throws and threes) is only 3% below the league average

Obviously because of his decent FT% and the amount of dunks he gets, but still amusing since we know how horrid his jumper is.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:39 pm to
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browdown




This post was edited on 1/18/13 at 5:40 pm
Posted by drake20
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
13123 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:40 pm to
Aminu's regular FG% is 46.3%
Posted by BrowDown
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Oct 2012
497 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:41 pm to
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Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:42 pm to
his DEF (steals+blocks+charges) is 16 in the league among SF.
Posted by BrowDown
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Oct 2012
497 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:42 pm to
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Aminu's regular FG% is 46.3%



Wow. I guess his recent FT's didn't bring that up much, it's only 50.4
Posted by CP3LSU25
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2009
51150 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:45 pm to
I only see 2 people that would make us a lot better. Not to excited about these players.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
17782 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 6:01 pm to
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I only see 2 people that would make us a lot better. Not to excited about these players.
I've been thinking for a while that we would upgrade the SF position in free agency, but this list is not inspiring at all. I still think we sign a SF, because Aminu needs a better backup than Lance Thomas (and Anderson can't guard SFs), but I now wonder if we aren't better off spending our money on a PG. A good PG could play a lot of minutes for us, as Gravy could play some time at the 2.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34238 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 6:12 pm to
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his DEF (steals+blocks+charges) is 16 in the league among SF.


That leaves out a pretty crucial part of defense

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League average for DRR: 14.8
AFA: 24.0
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34238 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 6:19 pm to
He's still middle of the pack with defensive rebound included.
This post was edited on 1/18/13 at 6:49 pm
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27419 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 6:21 pm to
Aminu also leads and has led all SF's in TO ratio the past three seasons.

It's just hard to trust Aminu down the stretch of games.

Here is a link for your metrics... LINK
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