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quail man 
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:23 pm to Jester)
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When he has been motivated, Aminu is arguably as good or better defensively. He's a much better rebounder than Ariza and with our bigs who don't rebound well, that is crucial to our defense. When his head is in the game, Aminu is arguably an elite defender.
Not arguing but do you have any stats to back up the elite defender thing...advanced metrics perhaps?
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BrowDown
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:27 pm to Jester)
FWIW, Darius Miller last game in the D league:
6/10, 14 pts. 2/4 from 3 in 23 minutes
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Jester 
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:28 pm to quail man)
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Not arguing but do you have any stats to back up the elite defender thing...advanced metrics perhaps?
No, I don't. I'm not really a fan of advanced metrics in basketball. I am only going off of watching him play.
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drake20 
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:31 pm to Broski)
Ariza is horrible...Webster and Brewer--we could sign them as backups. it doesn't really improve the team significantly, imo.
if 3 is the position we've decided is our big need, and we have a lot of cap space, it would be nice to get someone better, or at least a young player with some promise.
Iggy is too much, and not playing well...I think of Josh Smith as more of a PF...he would have to play majority 3 on the Hornets.
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Broski
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:33 pm to drake20)
Again, what type of player are you expecting.
Outside of Lebron and Durant, who are considered to be elite 3's?
Gay?
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corndeaux
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:34 pm to Broski)
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next best thing
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a guy like Webster for $6-8M
does not compute a that price
you do realize that after 7 years in the NBA, martell webster's closest players in Similarity Score on Basketball Reference include such luminaries as Rasual Butler, Thabo Sefalosha, and Downtown Devin Brown?
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drake20
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:34 pm to Broski)
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Outside of Lebron and Durant, who are considered to be elite 3's?
i didn't say anything about elite....there's a lot of room between elite and webster/brewer
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BrowDown
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:34 pm to quail man)
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Not arguing but do you have any stats to back up the elite defender thing...advanced metrics perhaps?
It's hard to find overall "defensive" stats, but here's proof of what we already know: AFA is a ridiculous rebounder:
LINK
That should work. If not, sort by Small Forwards and look at the offensive and defensive rebound rates for AFA 
League average for ORR: 5.3
AFA: 6.9
League average for DRR: 14.8
AFA: 24.0
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quail man
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:38 pm to BrowDown)
Holy balls
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BrowDown
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:38 pm to BrowDown)
Bigger shock:
AFA's "true shooting %" (weighted for three throws and threes) is only 3% below the league average
Obviously because of his decent FT% and the amount of dunks he gets, but still amusing since we know how horrid his jumper is.
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corndeaux
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:39 pm to quail man)
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browdown
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drake20
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:40 pm to BrowDown)
Aminu's regular FG% is 46.3%
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BrowDown
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:41 pm to corndeaux)
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corndeaux
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:42 pm to BrowDown)
his DEF (steals+blocks+charges) is 16 in the league among SF.
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BrowDown
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:42 pm to drake20)
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Aminu's regular FG% is 46.3%
Wow. I guess his recent FT's didn't bring that up much, it's only 50.4
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CP3LSU25
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 5:45 pm to Broski)
I only see 2 people that would make us a lot better. Not to excited about these players.
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GOP_Tiger
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 6:01 pm to CP3LSU25)
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I only see 2 people that would make us a lot better. Not to excited about these players.
I've been thinking for a while that we would upgrade the SF position in free agency, but this list is not inspiring at all. I still think we sign a SF, because Aminu needs a better backup than Lance Thomas (and Anderson can't guard SFs), but I now wonder if we aren't better off spending our money on a PG. A good PG could play a lot of minutes for us, as Gravy could play some time at the 2.
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Jester
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 6:12 pm to corndeaux)
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his DEF (steals+blocks+charges) is 16 in the league among SF.
That leaves out a pretty crucial part of defense
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League average for DRR: 14.8
AFA: 24.0
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Jester
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 6:19 pm to Jester)
He's still middle of the pack with defensive rebound included.
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MrWiseGuy
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| re: Possible SF targets in Free Agency (Posted on 1/18/13 at 6:21 pm to BrowDown)
Aminu also leads and has led all SF's in TO ratio the past three seasons.
It's just hard to trust Aminu down the stretch of games.
Here is a link for your metrics... LINK
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