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How much credit do you give to EG10 for the Hornets 4 game win streak?
Posted on 1/12/13 at 1:03 am
Posted on 1/12/13 at 1:03 am
I am listening to the Hornets 247 podcast and its interesting because they bring up that EG10 is not really playing as well as EG10 has in the past
So I researched a little
Gordon since he has been back is 35% from the field, 19% from three, 18 PPG he scored 16pts, had 3 assists, and 1 rebound tonight
I understand he is just getting back into the swing of things and trust me this is no knock on EG10 but what I am asking (and what the guys on the podcast were asking) was how much of this 4 game win streak is Gordon coming back, other things like player rotation or certain players individual effort, or are we just playing bad teams?
In my opinion Aminu's play has improved greatly, Roger Mason has been lights out, Vasquez has been fantastic, the defensive rotation has been better, JSmiht has been scoring as much on the court as he does off the court, and even better I think its great to have Rivers not playing as much so he can learn and not rely on AD so much
I'd say 35% goes to Gordon being back and 65% goes to the rest of that stuff up there
Either way its exciting to think that when EG10 does return to his normal self how much better can the Hornets be?
Anyway I'll shut up to gauge what the rant thinks
So I researched a little
Gordon since he has been back is 35% from the field, 19% from three, 18 PPG he scored 16pts, had 3 assists, and 1 rebound tonight
I understand he is just getting back into the swing of things and trust me this is no knock on EG10 but what I am asking (and what the guys on the podcast were asking) was how much of this 4 game win streak is Gordon coming back, other things like player rotation or certain players individual effort, or are we just playing bad teams?
In my opinion Aminu's play has improved greatly, Roger Mason has been lights out, Vasquez has been fantastic, the defensive rotation has been better, JSmiht has been scoring as much on the court as he does off the court, and even better I think its great to have Rivers not playing as much so he can learn and not rely on AD so much
I'd say 35% goes to Gordon being back and 65% goes to the rest of that stuff up there
Either way its exciting to think that when EG10 does return to his normal self how much better can the Hornets be?
Anyway I'll shut up to gauge what the rant thinks
This post was edited on 1/12/13 at 1:26 am
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Posted on 1/12/13 at 1:13 am to DeionDeion
I think he's lit a fire under everyone else more than anything. He may not be putting up the numbers yet, but he goes out there and plays aggressive. I think that rubbed off on everyone else. The problem with this team before he returned was it looked like they stopped trying. There was no intensity. When EG came back and started playing with intensity, it got all the other players to up their level of intensity. Plus, I think the other players (like us fans) have been anxiously waiting for him to return. You think we were pumped when he finally returned to the lineup? Imagine how the players felt. They knew what him returning meant.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 1:24 am to Hazelnut
He is like Anderson. Just having him out there drastically affects the defense even if he isn't playing up to his par. I'd say 50%+. We might not win without some his closing efforts. Going to be great to watch this team develop this next month.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 1:27 am to phelpsalot
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He is like Anderson. Just having him out there drastically affects the defense even if he isn't playing up to his par. I'd say 50%+. We might not win without some his closing efforts. Going to be great to watch this team develop this next month.
Yep. You'd have to think Vasquez, Davis, and especially Anderson were all very excited to have him back. He helps mask Vasquez's weaknesses and he opens up the floor for the other two. I think Anderson was quoted after EG's first game back saying something along the lines that he hasn't been this wide open all season. EG's first game back and Anderson was already seeing much better looks.
This post was edited on 1/12/13 at 1:28 am
Posted on 1/12/13 at 1:42 am to Hazelnut
Gordon's defense has been really good as well. The team seems to be rotating much much better as a whole on defense though which was our biggest problem earlier in the season. This is why our opponents aren't hitting ungodly amounts of uncontested 3's the last few games.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 2:10 am to saintsfan92612
I dont want to be a pie in the sky, "now the Hornets are going to the playoffs" guy or be the guy that brings up that the most proficient scoring team (Rockets) scored well below their game average against the Hornets, Tim Duncan and Tony Parker combined for 10 turnovers against the Hornets, and the Hornets played the T-Wolves without Kevin Love
I think we have to just take this win streak for what it is -- we are playing more inspired with Gordon back while getting a few breaks and maybe thats what this team needs to get some confidence
And yea saintsfan out defensive rotation has been a lot better
I think we have to just take this win streak for what it is -- we are playing more inspired with Gordon back while getting a few breaks and maybe thats what this team needs to get some confidence
And yea saintsfan out defensive rotation has been a lot better
Posted on 1/12/13 at 2:22 am to DeionDeion
So you're saying that the hornets had nothing to do with the rockets offensive deficiency and the spurs TOs? Their defense has been outstanding since the return of EG10
Posted on 1/12/13 at 2:31 am to bluebarracuda
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So you're saying that the hornets had nothing to do with the rockets offensive deficiency and the spurs TOs? Their defense has been outstanding since the return of EG10
no not at all I dont want to take away from the improved defense, play from Aminu, the come back of EG, the General doing great, I am just trying to keep all this in perspective maybe playing a little devils advocate
and so im guessing you think the improved play of the defense + Gordon is key to this win streak? thats the original question I asked
This post was edited on 1/12/13 at 2:33 am
Posted on 1/12/13 at 2:38 am to DeionDeion
If I were to tell you that against the Rockets our leading scorer Ryan Anderson would score 0 pts and Eric Gordon would score 5 pts and we would beat Houston by 9 who would believe me?
defense had to have stepped up for ^^^ to happen
defense had to have stepped up for ^^^ to happen
Posted on 1/12/13 at 3:20 am to Hazelnut
What this dude says is 100% accurate (if only I knew how to quote. ) Even if the numbers arent at superstar level, he still is opening up the floor for the team and is making everyone around him better as a whole.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 5:30 am to TooFyeToFly
we're on a four game win streak and still last in the West... now yeah we're winning a few but let's not act like we're seeing the same Spurs the Thunder might see, for example
Posted on 1/12/13 at 7:45 am to DeionDeion
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n my opinion Aminu's play has improved greatly, Roger Mason has been lights out, Vasquez has been fantastic, the defensive rotation has been better, JSmiht has been scoring as much on the court as he does off the court, and even better I think its great to have Rivers not playing as much so he can learn and not rely on AD so much
No doubt all of that is true. But Gordon's presence on the court and his defensive play has helped everyone on the team.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 7:48 am to saintsfan92612
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Gordon's defense has been really good as well. The team seems to be rotating much much better as a whole on defense though which was our biggest problem earlier in the season. This is why our opponents aren't hitting ungodly amounts of uncontested 3's the last few games.
This is the part that seems to be understated. Gordon is a borderline elite defender and our team defense is way better with him back. We have the ability to get stops now.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 7:58 am to DeionDeion
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the most proficient scoring team (Rockets) scored well below their game average against the Hornets
Defense had a lot to do with that. I don't have specialized splits to prove my point, but it seemed like Gordon made things really tough on Harden, who had 7 turnovers. It just seemed like Harden did most of his work against Rivers.
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Tim Duncan and Tony Parker combined for 10 turnovers against the Hornets
So, there is a pattern of turnovers by the opposing offense. That is usually a sign of good defense.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:01 am to chalmetteowl
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we're on a four game win streak and still last in the West... now yeah we're winning a few but let's not act like we're seeing the same Spurs the Thunder might see, for example
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:04 am to Jester
nice
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:19 am to phelpsalot
I agree with phelpsalot. It is 50+% Gordon. Just by being there the whole rotation gets better. You have people getting the kind of minutes that their talent merits and at the appropriate positions. Vasquez, Gordon, aminu, Davis, Lopez, with Anderson et al off the bench gives you legitimate NBA talent pretty much at all times. We just weren't seeing that early on.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:26 am to N.O. via West-Cal
What has been said already but also:
More Gordon = less Rivers
Not a scientist, but when the guy having "the worst season ever" plays less that probably helps.
More Gordon = less Rivers
Not a scientist, but when the guy having "the worst season ever" plays less that probably helps.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:42 am to corndeaux
I have to agree with the general consensus of this board. EG10's defense has been a real boost and there is no way we win the Dallas, Charlotte, or maybe SA game without him closing. Those wins were huge for momentum and confidence and it is great to see the other guys on the roster picking up their games and closing out teams now.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 9:30 am to ThePistol
People have to realize that January was suppose to be brutal. Basketball gods have smiled on us bc feb-April is much easier than rest of the schedule which was toughest in difficulty...not sure if it is anymore. I just like that we are a few more games to be ahead of lakers trailing a few spots from 8-9. Fun to dream.
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