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Those of you who know former players, what is their attitude toward LSU?
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:48 am
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:48 am
I know a few, and they seem, I guess I would say, less passionate about it than a lot of average fans. They go to the game, they tailgate, but they don't spend hours on message boards and they don't dissect everything that happens with the program. In a way, you could say they have a healthier attitude about it than most of us 
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Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:53 am to Jim Rockford
They are a lot less passionate that 99.9% of people on here, even after a loss.
ETA: I misread your title. I thought it meant current players. One of them is my roommate.
ETA: I misread your title. I thought it meant current players. One of them is my roommate.
This post was edited on 1/11/13 at 12:55 am
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:59 am to Jim Rockford
Lol, I roomed with one years ago. He walked on and backed up Kelvin Shephard. Never really played, and hated CLM.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 1:28 am to Jim Rockford
My girlfriends neighbor is a former O-Lineman from back in the gap, and he loves LSU... Miles, not so much...
Posted on 1/11/13 at 2:15 am to Jim Rockford
Players hate to lose. But they don't sit there and dwell on the loss and analyze the season like people on here do.
First of all, they are busy getting ready for the next game.
Secondly, playing football is what they do, and they like doing it. They aren't rooting for the team to succeed like fans are... they ARE the team. The players view losses as personal lack of execution problems. They are not happy that they didn't play well, that the team didn't play well. They are not happy that they might not get to play for a NC.
But fans are upset with losses because it means the team they root for might not get another NC, or they might not have bragging rights with their friends.
Players aren't even thinking about what that means in the context of the football program, or the school.
Fans want LSU to win because they are fans of LSU. Players want to win because they want their team to win. They want to win personally.
So when LSU plays Clemson, they aren't thinking about "Clemson" vs. "LSU". They are thinking about "our team" vs. "their team".
My point is, they take losses differently than fans do. Fans take losses hard because they are fans of the "brand". They feel the brand represents them, and so they are unhappy if they live vicariously through that brand and it doesn't succeed.
But players aren't "fans" of LSU. Players don't want to lose because they are the competitors. They are competitive and want to beat all other teams. They don't care about the "brand" of LSU during the season and don't look at it the same way fans do.
First of all, they are busy getting ready for the next game.
Secondly, playing football is what they do, and they like doing it. They aren't rooting for the team to succeed like fans are... they ARE the team. The players view losses as personal lack of execution problems. They are not happy that they didn't play well, that the team didn't play well. They are not happy that they might not get to play for a NC.
But fans are upset with losses because it means the team they root for might not get another NC, or they might not have bragging rights with their friends.
Players aren't even thinking about what that means in the context of the football program, or the school.
Fans want LSU to win because they are fans of LSU. Players want to win because they want their team to win. They want to win personally.
So when LSU plays Clemson, they aren't thinking about "Clemson" vs. "LSU". They are thinking about "our team" vs. "their team".
My point is, they take losses differently than fans do. Fans take losses hard because they are fans of the "brand". They feel the brand represents them, and so they are unhappy if they live vicariously through that brand and it doesn't succeed.
But players aren't "fans" of LSU. Players don't want to lose because they are the competitors. They are competitive and want to beat all other teams. They don't care about the "brand" of LSU during the season and don't look at it the same way fans do.
This post was edited on 1/11/13 at 2:18 am
Posted on 1/11/13 at 2:17 am to Jim Rockford
I don't comment very often. But the question you asked is very interesting because I have been wondering what former players really think. It's hard to get them to say anything or at least the ones I know real well and I bet I know a couple of dozen of them. I know Tolliver was blasting Miles on social media. I saw that on Fox Sports on MSN or somewhere. But the ones I personally know don't have a lot to say about it. They don't get as mad as the normal fan does. Herb Tyler posted on Facebook that he thought we needed a QB that could run and pass and that he felt like our offense lacked any form of identity. Herb was not mad or disrespectful. He just pointed out a few obvious things which is very unusual for him because he does not talk about much except for his kids. He never really talks much about LSU football except Geaux Tigers lets win today. But all in all the former players I know were coached under Dinardo or Saban and don't seem to get all worked up about anything like we do. Markeith Spears is vocal about it more than any of them I know and even then he is careful with his words. Johnny Mitchell does not say much except he hopes we win the game. Mainly Spears thinks we need to obviously make changes with the offense but I never have heard them saying this coach or that coach needs to be fired. Maybe they are burned out on football and don't get worked up about it as much as the rest of us. Maybe it's just my friends but I would assume there would be some Tigers with strong opinions out there.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 2:46 am to Jim Rockford
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In a way, you could say they have a healthier attitude about it than most of us
Anyone who dwells on a game, win or lose, more than a couple days, has an emotional vacuum of some kind in their life that they try to fill with LSU sports. imo
Posted on 1/11/13 at 5:20 am to Jim Rockford
This reminds me of a scene from Chazz Palminteri's A Bronx Tale...
" A Bronx Tale, Mickey Mantle Scene" (set in October 1960)
Sonny: What are you, a Yankee fan?
Young Calogero: Yeah.
Sonny: Sit down. No, come over here--sit over here next to me. [pause] So you must be pretty upset after the Yankees lost?
Young Calogero: Bill Mazeroski, I hate him. He made Mickey Mantle cry. The papers said that the Mick was crying.
Sonny: Mickey Mantle? Is that what you're upset about? Mickey Mantle makes a hundred thousand dollars a year--how much does your father make?
Young Calogero: I don't know.
Sonny: You don't know? See if your father can't pay the rent, go ask Mickey Mantle and see what he tells you. Mickey Mantle don't care about you, so why should you care about him? Nobody cares. [laughing]
Calogero [narrating]: After that, I never felt the same way about the Yankees.
" A Bronx Tale, Mickey Mantle Scene" (set in October 1960)
Sonny: What are you, a Yankee fan?
Young Calogero: Yeah.
Sonny: Sit down. No, come over here--sit over here next to me. [pause] So you must be pretty upset after the Yankees lost?
Young Calogero: Bill Mazeroski, I hate him. He made Mickey Mantle cry. The papers said that the Mick was crying.
Sonny: Mickey Mantle? Is that what you're upset about? Mickey Mantle makes a hundred thousand dollars a year--how much does your father make?
Young Calogero: I don't know.
Sonny: You don't know? See if your father can't pay the rent, go ask Mickey Mantle and see what he tells you. Mickey Mantle don't care about you, so why should you care about him? Nobody cares. [laughing]
Calogero [narrating]: After that, I never felt the same way about the Yankees.
This post was edited on 1/11/13 at 5:23 am
Posted on 1/11/13 at 6:04 am to Jim Rockford
.....you are 100% correct.
I have been to one game in over 5 years and while tailgating is great, I'd rather watch it somewhere.
With the exception of a handful of guys getting luxury box seating (Ruffin, etc.) most shy away from the fray.
I have been to one game in over 5 years and while tailgating is great, I'd rather watch it somewhere.
With the exception of a handful of guys getting luxury box seating (Ruffin, etc.) most shy away from the fray.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 7:26 am to Jim Rockford
Try reading " It never Rains in Tiger Stadium".
Posted on 1/11/13 at 7:29 am to Jim Rockford
D Byrd loves Miles as a person.
Drops his head and starts shaking his head when asked "how about as a coach?"
He said the recieving corp used to be on the sidelines thinking "Theyre puttin NINE in the box coach! Air that bi?(h out!"
Drops his head and starts shaking his head when asked "how about as a coach?"
He said the recieving corp used to be on the sidelines thinking "Theyre puttin NINE in the box coach! Air that bi?(h out!"
Posted on 1/11/13 at 7:47 am to Jim Rockford
I've known some from over the past decade or so. All say there is a complete lack of discipline but the offensive players are a lot more negative than the defensive ones. Most of them pull for LSU but don't exactly show much emotion with it. After a loss there is always "I told you so" and "Miles doesn't know what he is doing" talk. The ones who were on the 2007 team seem to have more pride though from what I've noticed.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 8:25 am to Jim Rockford
I go to church with a former LSU DB from the mid-70's; he thinks Les is a total clown.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 9:01 am to Jim Rockford
I know one former 3 year starter...
still goes to all the games, loves LSU, loves Les Miles.
He played for Saban too
a quote from him about the coaches "We were scared to lose for Saban, and wanted to win for Miles"
still goes to all the games, loves LSU, loves Les Miles.
He played for Saban too
a quote from him about the coaches "We were scared to lose for Saban, and wanted to win for Miles"
Posted on 1/11/13 at 9:12 am to Jim Rockford
one who i am close with mentions things like 'free reign' when talking about the offense. talks about how the talent won miles a ton of games earl yin his career at LSU. loves him as a man but desires more as a gameday coach, particularly with the offense.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:56 am to Jim Rockford
quote:
I know a few, and they seem, I guess I would say, less passionate about it than a lot of average fans. They go to the game, they tailgate, but they don't spend hours on message boards and they don't dissect everything that happens with the program. In a way, you could say they have a healthier attitude about it than most of us
The ones I know (80's players) have a major case of the lulz with Miles post 2007.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:04 am to Jim Rockford
Playing for LSU doesn't make you a life long, die-hard LSU fan. The ones that bled purple -n-gold before they got there continue to do so after they leave.
The ones that see LSU as an avenue to get a free education and into the NFL tend to be indifferent after leaving and maybe even while they are playing.
Knowing a player after the fact doesn't mean you know why they fall in either category.
I know a bunch of former players, most are my age or older (45-65) and they represent the full spectrum. The ones that grew up around here are full retard LSU fans, others aren't.
The ones that see LSU as an avenue to get a free education and into the NFL tend to be indifferent after leaving and maybe even while they are playing.
Knowing a player after the fact doesn't mean you know why they fall in either category.
I know a bunch of former players, most are my age or older (45-65) and they represent the full spectrum. The ones that grew up around here are full retard LSU fans, others aren't.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 5:18 pm to Jim Rockford
I am friends with one that now plays in the NFL (no name) he said when he graduated he went straight to Atlanta to a training camp for 4 months and learned more in those 4 months than he learned the entire 4 years at LSU. Still a diehard, PASSIONATE LSU fan , never said anything about CLM.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 5:27 pm to Jim Rockford
My uncle was on the 58 NC team. He lived LSU. Once he got succesfull enough in business, he went the whole way, season tix,RV for tailgating etc.And this was duirng the "bad years" Wore his Sugar Bowl watch till the day he died. Buried wearing and LSU tie.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 7:48 pm to Jim Rockford
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Those of you who know former players, what is their attitude toward LSU?
I know players from the 2003 National Championship team and they all have nothing but the highest respect for Saban. Some went to the NFL and they said Saban worked them harder at LSU than they worked in the NFL.
I know some players who played for Miles. They say he is nice to play for and he stands up for his players but that he is not very organized and seems kinda scatterbrained. They say he has too much involvement in the offense and everyone would be better off if he let the offensive coaches do their job.
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