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re: No MLB players elected to the HOF
Posted on 1/9/13 at 2:30 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Posted on 1/9/13 at 2:30 pm to VerlanderBEAST
You'd take Biggio in his prime over those guys in their prime?
Posted on 1/9/13 at 2:33 pm to Lester Earl
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You'd take Biggio in his prime over those guys in their prime?
HoF isn't about their prime.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 2:37 pm to Lester Earl
I find it very disturbing that the BWAA has decided that they are above the game and can pass judgement on items just based on suspicion.
I see the HOF as a museum, and this museum is dedicated to describing the history of the game and honoring or telling of who were the best players at that time when they played. I can not believe that each writer who did not include Bonds, Clemens, or whomever accused of PED's can look at themselves in mirror and say they had no agenda. These writers applauded the exploits of these players when they played. They also, in my opinion condone the use of amphetamines and other enhancers but have determined "steroids" as the ultimate evil.
Today's action by the writers has made me realize, that they think they are the caretakers of the game, not the public, who truly are, as they are the ones that make baseball the game it is.
I see the HOF as a museum, and this museum is dedicated to describing the history of the game and honoring or telling of who were the best players at that time when they played. I can not believe that each writer who did not include Bonds, Clemens, or whomever accused of PED's can look at themselves in mirror and say they had no agenda. These writers applauded the exploits of these players when they played. They also, in my opinion condone the use of amphetamines and other enhancers but have determined "steroids" as the ultimate evil.
Today's action by the writers has made me realize, that they think they are the caretakers of the game, not the public, who truly are, as they are the ones that make baseball the game it is.
This post was edited on 1/9/13 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 1/9/13 at 2:43 pm to Lester Earl
Well, let's look at the their best five-year stretch:
Biggio 308/404/477 136 OPS+ 17 HR 39 SB
Alomar 316/391/492 127 OPS+ 18 HR 27 SB
Ryno 291/357/494 133 OPS+ 28 HR 21 SB
Kent 307/378/548 142 OPS+ 29 HR 9 SB
Utley 301/388/535 135 OPS+ 29 HR 15 SB
Biggio's got the lowest SLG, but the highest OBP, #2 BA, #2 OPS+, and he stole a lot of bases. He also scored a ton of runs, averaging nearly 120 R a season in his peak, which is well ahead of those peers. Kent was also a butcher with the glove and pretty much despised by every human being who ever he came into contact with.
Yeah, I think Biggio had the best peak of the five. I'd consider Almoar, who I think is close as well. But he's a Hall of Famer, so comparing favorably to a Hall of Famer is a good thing.
Biggio 308/404/477 136 OPS+ 17 HR 39 SB
Alomar 316/391/492 127 OPS+ 18 HR 27 SB
Ryno 291/357/494 133 OPS+ 28 HR 21 SB
Kent 307/378/548 142 OPS+ 29 HR 9 SB
Utley 301/388/535 135 OPS+ 29 HR 15 SB
Biggio's got the lowest SLG, but the highest OBP, #2 BA, #2 OPS+, and he stole a lot of bases. He also scored a ton of runs, averaging nearly 120 R a season in his peak, which is well ahead of those peers. Kent was also a butcher with the glove and pretty much despised by every human being who ever he came into contact with.
Yeah, I think Biggio had the best peak of the five. I'd consider Almoar, who I think is close as well. But he's a Hall of Famer, so comparing favorably to a Hall of Famer is a good thing.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:00 pm to Lester Earl
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You'd take Biggio in his prime over those guys in their prime?
Ummm.. sorry, that isn't what the Hall of Fame is all about. You look through the history of baseball, you'll find players with 3 or 4 seasons with better stats than a lot of people in the Hall of Fame.
The HOF is about honoring the players who played the game at the highest level for a career -- not for a prime period. Everyone has peaks and valleys. Truly great players are the ones who rank high throughout their careers.
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