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GHAZI
Dallas Mavs 2011 NBA Champions
Member since Dec 2007
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| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:28 pm to Factsman)
Miles also won a national title, despite being a horrible coach.
I feel like coaching truly comes into play when the talent level is equal.
like Bama v a team like Georgia, Florida, LSU, Oregon, etc.
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LSUSoulja08 
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| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:29 pm to GHAZI)
Both
God you are so fricking stupid
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GHAZI
Dallas Mavs 2011 NBA Champions
Member since Dec 2007
14796 posts
| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:29 pm to LSUSoulja08)
love it when a bunch of Southerners are calling Big Ghaz stupid.
I Love It.
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UnoMe 
LSU Fan
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Member since Dec 2007
1189 posts
| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:32 pm to GHAZI)
First he is a great coach and recruiter obviously but, it's College Football...
Just think for a second,if just two plays in a football game of many plays go the other way it's either Georgia or LSU playing, and you are asking the same question? Is Riche or Miles better coach or recruiter.
ETA. both Georgia and LSU blow these guys out tonight.
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memphstigers23 
Ole Miss Fan
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Member since Mar 2012
10278 posts
| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:33 pm to GHAZI)
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Both
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bhart99
Member since Oct 2007
660 posts
| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:56 pm to memphstigers23)
well then someone please explain to me then if he's such a great coach, great motivator and a great x's and o's guy why didn't he succeed on the pro level where the talent is spread across the board?//
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Shaft Williams
LSU Fan
Washington, DC
Member since Jul 2010
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| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:05 am to bhart99)
He's a great coach. LSU and UGA have comparable athletes to Bama on a yearly basis but they just can't touch Bama when it comes to coaching.
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Shaft Williams
LSU Fan
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Member since Jul 2010
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| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:09 am to bhart99)
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well then someone please explain to me then if he's such a great coach, great motivator and a great x's and o's guy why didn't he succeed on the pro level where the talent is spread across the board?//
It's a lot of revisionist history going on with Saban in the NFL. Saban was far from garbage in the NFL as a HC especially in light of the fact that the Dolphins were in a rebuilding stage when he was there. Saban didn't go to a franchise with talent on deck like the Harbaugh brothers.
Saban's situation in Miami is a lot like Pete Carroll's in Seattle. Seattle already had some pieces on defense, they've made some good draft picks, but the thing Seattle has done that Saban didn't get done in Miami is sign a franchise QB.
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bhart99
Member since Oct 2007
660 posts
| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:12 am to Shaft Williams)
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Saban was far from garbage in the NFL as a HC especially in light of the fact that the Dolphins were in a rebuilding stage when he was there. Saban didn't go to a franchise with talent on deck
Ok but if i'm not mistaken Saban's first year at Bama when he didn't have any talent on deck he went 7-6. When he started doing what he does best....recruiting....he started winning. The great coaches of college football are the coaches who can do the most with the least talent. I can win 10 games with the talent Bama puts on the field.
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504Voodoo
LSU Fan
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2012
799 posts
| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:16 am to Kafka)
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He is the $250 hand job of coaches
Couldn't have said it better myself
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Crumble
LSU Fan
Planet LSU
Member since Jan 2006
1565 posts
| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:32 am to GHAZI)
Good coach / great recruiter
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PurpleandGold Motown 
Alabama Fan
Leon, Nicaragua
Member since Oct 2007
11090 posts
| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/8/13 at 2:12 am to bhart99)
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When he started doing what he does best....recruiting....he started winning.
Or his methods took hold, he had a year to coach his players to play his way, and, yes, he recruited players for his system.
Saban gets the best out of the best players. Not every coach can do that. He knows exactly what his team's strengths and weaknesses are. He puts his teams in a position where their weaknesses are shored up and their strengths are highlighted.
This post was edited on 1/8 at 2:13 am
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DrSteveBrule 
Stanford Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
4859 posts
| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/8/13 at 2:44 am to bhart99)
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well then someone please explain to me then if he's such a great coach, great motivator and a great x's and o's guy why didn't he succeed on the pro level where the talent is spread across the board?//
You actually managed to ask a dumber question than Ghazi did in the OP.
Congrats.
Did you just start watching sports? The NFL and CFB are completely different sports practically. Many coaches don't make the transition well. There's also an absolute shitload of successful college players that aren't successful at the pro level.
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Tonight showed that Notre Dame was completely outclassed as far as speed, especially in their secondary and their skill position. And they were no match for the powerful offensive line of the Tide.
Clearly Brian Kelly wasn't outcoached, he was just "outtalented"
Lord Saban, great coach or great recruiter?
Now to answer your question, no one outclasses Saban in terms of the amount of work he puts in. He is a great recruiter, and a great in-game coach, but the thing he does the absolute best is hire a staff around him that develops players to their maximum potential on the college level, this includes himself.
His teams are so disciplined. He governs that team with an iron fist, but his players love him.
This post was edited on 1/8 at 2:47 am
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BarDTiger81
LSU Fan
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Member since Jul 2011
15639 posts
| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:50 am to GHAZI)
Both dumas!!
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T1 
Louisiana Tech Fan
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2006
1944 posts
| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:13 am to GHAZI)
I was thinking the same thing last night. He's a better recruiter than coach (but a good coach too). I remember ULM beat Saban/Alabama before he amassed all the talent there. He was average at Michigan St and average in the NFL.
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TT9
Alabama Fan
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Member since Sep 2008
44850 posts
| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:17 am to GHAZI)
Both
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bhart99
Member since Oct 2007
660 posts
| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:56 am to DrSteveBrule)
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Congrats.
Did you just start watching sports? The NFL and CFB are completely different sports practically. Many coaches don't make the transition well. There's also an absolute shitload of successful college players that aren't successful at the pro level.
I didn't realize we were talking about players transitioning.
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The Future 
Iowa State Fan
Smallville, KS
Member since Oct 2009
20821 posts
| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:10 am to GHAZI)
He's the best college coach I've ever seen personally.
His schtick doesn't work in the nfl, but is right on line for college.
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motorbreath 
New Orleans Saints Fan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2004
3246 posts
| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:13 am to GHAZI)
Both but he's not a perfect coach by any means. He has his deficiencies.
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taylork37 
Ohio State Fan
The social pipeline
Member since Mar 2010
6761 posts
| re: Nick Saban, great coach or great recruiter? (Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:29 am to boXerrumble)
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That was one of the worst coaching performances in a NC game ever.
No it just wasn't. ND was just outclassed at almost every position...hell at every position. You can look at that game and say that was the worst coaching performances. Its hard to have a good coaching performance or at least not a bad coaching performance when you team is just not that good.
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