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I'm not sure how we went from talking about the stupidity of shipping products all over the world, in many cases shipping out the same products we're shipping in... to the question of why America is the most advanced in the world.

it's the same thing, just from different angles







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If you are talking about pulp, the problem is resources, not wages. Probably the same with many natural resource imports/exports. We can only produce so much material.

Public lands are not nearly as available as in the past for logging, and many public lands require secondary processing and added value before logs can be sold. We probably have to import many products to meet demand.


You misunderstood him.. but that's what you do.

Heck, we could solve the entire paper conundrum by just making it out of industrial hemp... a plant that takes 4 months to mature instead of decades. Nourishes the ground it's grown on, creates far superior paper without the chemicals as well as thousands of other products. But that would require some common sense.






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You misunderstood him.. but that's what you do.
Really? Is that necessary?






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You misunderstood him.. but that's what you do.
Really? Is that necessary?



It's what he does.






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I can't take it anymore. I have to butt in.

Why did mo's online article use 8-9 year old data to make its political point regarding the UK's milk import/export amounts?

Google answers the question.

The reason the UK imported and exported approximately the same amount of milk in 1996 (the year used in mogray's link when describing the puzzle of importing and exporting almost the same tonnage of milk) was because N. Ireland and Ireland had almost no domestic milk processing facilities then. The bulk of milk imports into the UK was raw milk from N. Ireland and Ireland and almost all of the exports were back to N. Ireland and Ireland as processed milk and milk products, including cheese, butter, powered milk and cream.

Apparently N. Ireland's peace has included the construction of milk processing facilities since the latest UK import/export milk product statistics show the UK imports almost zero raw milk from N. Ireland while continuing to be a major milk product exporter, the 10th largest milk product exporter in the world.

The most recent news links about UK milk processing complains about the possibility that domestic milk consumption (drinking) in the UK may soon limit the availability of milk for processing for export purposes as domestic raw milk production has not kept up with the demand for milk used for processing into milk product exports and the UK may have to find more raw milk to import to satisfy the cheese, butter, powered milk and cream export demand.






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The reason the UK imported and exported approximately the same amount of milk in 1996 (the year used in mogray's link when describing the puzzle of importing and exporting almost the same tonnage of milk) was because N. Ireland and Ireland had almost no domestic milk processing facilities then. The bulk of milk imports into the UK was raw milk from N. Ireland and Ireland and almost all of the exports were back to N. Ireland and Ireland as processed milk and milk products, including cheese, butter, powered milk and cream.



Seems like some selfish, short term profit seeking limeys right there.






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Russian, I didn't know you were around. You never answered what you were pinned down about in the FED thread. And don't say it's because you were tired of showing me up, extremely salient points were made that you walked away from.

You just went after one aspect, the lowest hanging fruit in my argument and you think that is completely showing me wrong. You're a globalist who puts today's economic figures above all else, I get that. Obviously you're going to think its a good thing ship food all over the world without considering rippling effects and long term issues.




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You're a globalist who puts today's economic figures above all else,

how do you think a society develops without maximizing its economic output?

you need to go back and learn how societies developed and why they've been such a boom to humanity

agriculture was the biggie. when we produce enough foot to feed our society without using all of our resources, we can then use those resources to develop elsewhere. that is the basic building block of society






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mograyback
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how do you think a society develops without maximizing its economic output?

you need to go back and learn how societies developed and why they've been such a boom to humanity

agriculture was the biggie. when we produce enough foot to feed our society without using all of our resources, we can then use those resources to develop elsewhere. that is the basic building block of society


You're trolling for you know what. If you want to have real debates without putting lures in the water that's cool.. you get a kick out of doing just this.. that's not really conducive to quality conversations.

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how do you think a society develops without maximizing its economic output?


I'd say your first mistake is putting economic output at the center of your universe.







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I'd say your first mistake is putting economic output at the center of your universe.

if we have to use more of our economic resources on basic staples, where do we get the resources for research and development of new technologies? there is not an infinite amount of money...where we spend in one area means we can't spend in another






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if we have to use more of our economic resources on basic staples, where do we get the resources for research and development of new technologies? there is not an infinite amount of money...where we spend in one area means we can't spend in another


Okay.. thanks for telling me that if we spend in one area we can't spend in another. Perhaps I'm not communicating properly and you didn't understand what I mean. Explaining to me the rules of economics is not relevant to my comment that we put too much emphasis on economic figures. We have different value systems, this was said a page back.. which is why I said continuing this conversation would be like a capitalist and socialist trying to convince each other their ideology is best.



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What is the center of your universe?





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What is the center of your universe?


Common sense. Planetary value. Species value.

I don't believe things like GDP are a way to measure the well being of a country. Economic figures and numbers omit very important things. It's a game, a game of numbers and that's pretty much it. And it's the center of our universe and it's why things are so haywire.

Long ago earth was the considered the center of the solar system, but that notion was causing all kinds of other things to not make sense. When we put the sun at the center of the system things fell into place. While it's an overused analogy, it has some relevance here.






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Economic figures and numbers omit very important things.

can you list some things they omit?

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It's a game, a game of numbers and that's pretty much it.

it's a game of human behavior shown in numbers






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mograyback
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can you list some things they omit?


It's kind of been said in this thread, in various ways. If I can stomach making a more direct response to this tomorrow I will. You're like the guy who spends an entire chess match making the other guy move his king..






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What does this megagenius suggest be done with the debts of the people who take a 50% reduction in income?





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What does this megagenius suggest be done with the debts of the people who take a 50% reduction in income?

His philosophy is anti-consumption. So, if you make 50K and going to 25K will make you unable to pay your mortgage, then you should sell your home and buy something smaller. He is also opposed to owning 2 cars or a boat. They are status toys and not really necessary.

The most valuable possession in your life is TIME. And by working 20 hours a week you'll have more quality time.






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