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re: Official AR-15 thread

Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:00 pm to
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:00 pm to
does that mean a few months?
Posted by Propagandalf
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Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:02 pm to
we shall see I guess..it said this happened back in April.
Posted by BACONisMEATcandy
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Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:19 pm to
Thanks 300 blk it is
Posted by BACONisMEATcandy
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:53 pm to
Which buffer should I get for 300blk? LINK
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:02 pm to
Carbine buffer should be good for your planned build.
Posted by BACONisMEATcandy
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:23 pm to
Thanks, any foreseeable problem if I go with the heavy?
Posted by lsufan1971
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:38 pm to
Here is mine with 8.5". If you are going to run suppressed with a regular carbine stock I would get a JP capture Spring buffer. It's pricey but worth every penny IMO.

Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

Thanks, any foreseeable problem if I go with the heavy?


Maybe shortstroking, but even that would be unlikely with a proper gas system.
Posted by Propagandalf
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:29 pm to
quote:

Carbine buffer should be good for your planned build.


In my experience a 3.0oz carbine buffer does not work reliably in short barrel 300BLK guns. You should definitely be using an H2 or you can use an H3 if you are only going to be shooting supers.

ETA: My observations are with using pistol length gas
This post was edited on 8/7/17 at 4:31 pm
Posted by BACONisMEATcandy
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:40 pm to
This would be with a noveske 8.5 length barrel and won't have a can until for a while
Posted by Propagandalf
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:43 pm to
quote:

This would be with a noveske 8.5 length barrel and won't have a can until for a while


I would stick with what I posted above.


ETA: To ease your mind here are some links to AAC, the creator's, opinion.

Here is a presentation from AAC on the DTIC website. Slide 10 indicates the use of an H2 buffer for the non-Honey Badger variant that appears to be using a proprietary buffer system. LINK

AAC's 300blk manual, page 2 outlines the buffer spring and weights recommended. LINK
This post was edited on 8/7/17 at 4:54 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 5:04 pm to
Works perfectly in mine. I shoot reloads from it. Only issues I had were from the magazines.
This post was edited on 8/12/17 at 12:31 am
Posted by Argonaut
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:16 pm to
I'm looking to build my first AR. I planned to build on a Noveske Gen I lower/upper, but I'm reading that those may not be worth the price over something like Aero Precision. I'd like to build a really nice rifle, but I don't want to waste my money either.
Posted by bbvdd
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:50 pm to
Surplus Ammo has Aero precision lowers for $45.
Posted by Propagandalf
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:19 pm to
An AR-15 receiver is a commodity. IN GENERAL, so long as you are dealing with reputable companies using US materials (however there are exceptions), they are all machined from 7075-T6 forgings (with exception of some companies like Noreen) created to the exact same dimensions from a handful of foundrys in the US. These forgings are then machined to the exact same AR15 spec. So long as the company you get it from is doing it right, you are getting a receiver that is the same as any company. The exception being additional features added into the design like threaded bolt catch holes, captured detent springs, upper tensioning screws, ambidextrous features etc. There are also differences in finishes like cerakote or anodizing, and within anodizing the finish will depend on the method of blasting before the anodizing process with the final exterior product texture ranging from course to glossy. So, all you need to do is decide if you want a regular run of the mill lower or one that has exterior aesthetics that you prefer or additional features that you prefer then spend your money accordingly. The Aero will hold the fire control group and mag in place as well as any receiver on the market. Hope this helps.
Posted by Argonaut
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:32 pm to
Huge help, thanks.

So from what I can tell there are no additional features on the Gen I Noveske lowers over Aero Precision.

In your opinion, is the Noveske worth the additional price, or is that just paying for the name? I get that certain names bring more if you're trying to sell, but I don't think I'll ever do that if I build it right.
Posted by Propagandalf
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 12:18 am to
quote:

In your opinion, is the Noveske worth the additional price, or is that just paying for the name? I get that certain names bring more if you're trying to sell, but I don't think I'll ever do that if I build it right.


A home build on a Noveske would only bring a slight amount more than a home build on any other receiver. People pay a premium for Noveske based on their reputation for the products they produce. A home build on one of their lowers does not bring anywhere near the confidence as a complete rifle build by Noveske. An individual producing a product on something as insignificant as just one of their lowers would not fetch a higher price than what someone is willing to pay for the lower over another lower. IMO a lower that lacks additional features like ambi controls or unique aesthetics that are appealing to you and require additional overhead to produce are not worth more than $80 on the top end. I would also avoid the super cheap end of the spectrum as companies that operate in that space make sacrifices like quality control or "eastern" outsourcing of materials to be able to operate at those prices. Aero makes a quality lower at a fair price and you should have no hesitation using one if you want a basic AR lower. The gen 1 Noveske will offer no benefit over it.
Posted by Argonaut
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 6:49 am to
Aero Precision it is. Are their lower/upper receiver sets worth getting?

Also, what should I be looking at for a good 16-18" barrel? Hoping to stay under $300, but I've read that barrel, bolt and trigger are the places to spend my money on a build.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 6:53 am to
quote:

Hoping to stay under $300, but I've read that barrel, bolt and trigger are the places to spend my money on a build.


I defer to Prop at the end of the analysis, but basically don't overspend on blocks of aluminum is the rule of thumb.

So, you're correct that the barrel and trigger are the 2 most significant places that spending (smartly) extra money can yield better performance. The 3 things that influence accuracy and performance the most (at least on the platform, not the ammo) are: shooter, trigger, barrel, more or less in that order. I guess sights/optics would be right there as well, but it is ridiculously easy to overspend on sights, so be smart there, too.

Everything else is just infrastructure and comfort.
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 6:55 am
Posted by Argonaut
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 7:06 am to
I've been looking at BCM and Daniel Defense for barrels and bolts. Also looking at CMMG and Yankee Hill Machine for a little less. I don't really know what the difference between these manufacturers are. I read I want chrome lined and CHF, but that's about it. Almost too much information out there lol.

For optics, I'm planning on a Primary Arms ACSS scope.
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