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Antonio Moss 
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:51 am to Patrick_Bateman)
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You have no idea how wrong you are.
So you're under the impression that every person who carries a gene displays the corresponding trait?
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League Champs 
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:03 pm to Antonio Moss)
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You have pretty poor understanding of genetics.
Its clear that you dont know the difference between being born gay, and being gay as a result of external factors. Control the external factors (epigenetics) and you control the trait, as per my previous examples
Can obesity be controlled, even if passed on?
Can the honey bee's offspring traits be controlled by feeding?
Can diabetes in the offspring of the Sedish men that suffered conditions of famine be controlled, ven if passed on?
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Patrick_Bateman
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:03 pm to Antonio Moss)
No.
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Antonio Moss
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:07 pm to League Champs)
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Its clear that you dont know the difference between being born gay, and being gay as a result of external factors. Control the external factors (epigenetics) and you control the trait, as per my previous examples
Still not close to the correct definition of epigenetic. Second, what if the external factors are unknown and unknowable?
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Antonio Moss
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:09 pm to Patrick_Bateman)
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No.
So then you would agree that a "gay gene" could lie dormant in some heterosexuals?
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okietiger13
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:10 pm to League Champs)
Since homosexuality is now comparable to obesity in that it can be "controlled", will Bloomberg try and place a limit on the amount of gay porn his constituents can "consume?"
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HempHead 
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:12 pm to okietiger13)
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Since homosexuality is now comparable to obesity in that it can be "controlled"
Got to jog off those queerolies.
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Antonio Moss
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:24 pm to HempHead)
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Got to jog off those queerolies
You'd better hope that you've got a genetically quick fagabolism or you may have to run for a long, long time.
But hey, since all external stimuli are all equal, obvious, and reasonably controllable, let's just label everything as a choice.
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SilverSpurs13
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:27 pm to League Champs)
frick yes. Now we have leverage to keep these sinful peter puffers from having rights. It's what Jesus would have wanted.
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Zach
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:33 pm to League Champs)
Is this gay?
new fashion for men
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Bayou
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:33 pm to SilverSpurs13)
Bunch o' Fagola's
- Archie Bunker
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Bayou
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:33 pm to SilverSpurs13)
Bunch o' Fagola's
- Archie Bunker
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ItNeverRains
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:34 pm to SilverSpurs13)
This will be an important issue to be once the unemployment rate is under 5%, we are 16 trillion less in debt, and out of all conflicts in the Middle East.
Staying tuned, will report back shortly
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:46 pm to Patrick_Bateman)
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If homosexuality were genetic in nature, it would no longer be in existence, on account of the genes not being passed on from one generation to the next. It is a choice, always has been.
Not true on at least two levels. First, gay people can and do have children. Many try to wish away the gay by getting married and having kids (which may explode in their face, or they may hide it their entire life). Lesbians, of course, can have a child of their own with the help of either a sperm bank or a willing donor. It can and absolutely does happen.
Second, dominant vs recessive traits. It's not as simple as "If the son is gay, then the daddy must be gay." If that were true, then all gingers would have a ginger parent, and it simply isn't so. Nuff said.
Personally, I don't think there's one correct and all-explaining answer to this question. You might as well try to find a gene to explain why one person likes blondes and another brunettes. More than likely, it's probably a mixture of hardware and software.
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Antonio Moss
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:58 pm to sacredcow)
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More than likely, it's probably a mixture of hardware and software.
Although informal, this is a much closer definition of epigenetic than the OP
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:04 pm to League Champs)
The title of this thread is fallacious. A more accurate appellation would state that homosexuality isn't necessarily hereditary.
Genes control and regulate the expression of each other. If certain genes are present, and are activated, other genes may become activated...or suppressed. So, just because an actual nucleotide sequence may not be explicitly responsible for a given phenotype does not mean there isn't a genetic basis for its manifestation.
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bigasstiger
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:20 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot)
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2) I honestly do not care if it is a straight <no pun> out CHOICE and some simply decided to like it. It bothers me not one little bit.
So, how long have you been a homosexual? It's ok. You can tell us on the OT.
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DawgfaninCa 
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:45 pm to bigasstiger)
Some heterosexual women choose to be lesbians.
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:46 pm to Antonio Moss)
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You'd better hope that you've got a genetically quick fagabolism
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League Champs
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:55 pm to Antonio Moss)
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Although informal, this is a much closer definition of epigenetic than the OP
No, its not
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relating to, being, or involving a modification in gene expression that is independent of the DNA sequence of a gene
The human DNA is set to hetero as the default. This latest theory debunks the notion that it is genetic. Too many identical twins have varying sex habits, and gay would eventually evolve itself out if it was passed due only to genetics. So the result of being gay is the expression of that gene from its default due to external modifications from the parent.
Obesity is the perfect example of epigenetics. A trait that is passed due to behavior of the parent.
This study means being gay is a choice. The epigenetic trait is passed on, but external modification can effect your behavior. Much like obesity is passed on due to the amount of sugar that is now available in our diet. The Swedish famine study also confirms that diet choices by parents effect offspring, but is not genetic.
So you can choose to remain gay, because your ancestor somehow modified that default gene; or you can choose to modify that epigenetic factor.
Either way, its external forces at work. It boils down to a choice someone made at some point in your lineage.
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