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ocelot4ark
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The simple fact is that many cops are not cheery people because they deal with the scum of the Earth day in and day out. It takes a toll on people after years of this and tends to tarnish the view they have of the public.


And that is no excuse, whatsoever, for treating anyone poorly. None.

You guys get pissed when people talk or say shitty things to cops, as illustrated in this thread. Okay, I can see that. But what if the person who's doing that ALSO deals with the scum of the Earth day-in and day-out, just in a different capacity. Cops don't, or shouldn't, get a free pass to be dicks to people just because they have a hard job to do.

You see videos of our soldiers in the Middle East who are in the most stressful situation possible. And yet, you see these videos where they manage to be polite to the locals. Cheerful, even.

It's possible. You just have to WANT to have a relationship with the public that doesn't revolve around you proving how "hard" or "badass" you are.

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The truth is that the system works as well as it can with the limitations placed upon it. If you tighten the noose around cops you put them in more danger and more will quit resulting in, whether you believe so or not, more crime.


I fail to see how being polite or neighborly to people who aren't threatening can possibly be seen as a limitation to doing your job. Someone you're actually arresting? Serving with a warrant? Impeding an investigation? Sure. Be demonstrative. Some soccer mom that's bringing her kids to grandma's? No fricking way and we all know that shite happens.






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LNCHBOX
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Bull shite. I got pulled over plenty while I was under 25 and my dad is from northern Africa, so I don't look like your average white kid, and yet I still didn't have problems. Nice try though.





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HarryBalzack
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I'm not applying a general statement to all cops.

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ocelot4ark (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:04 p.m. to CarRamrod)

This is just further evidence that the profession attracts the lowest common denominator. Cops should be the example for society. Not the dumbfrick reactionaries we see nowadays.


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Cops should set the precedent for all of us. They are the enforcement of society's moral compass. If cops return belligerent attitudes with the same, by God, then who are we to say that ANYONE should turn the other cheek if someone's being a dick?


Agreed. The same can be said of anyone in a position of public authority. Part of the problem with police is that they generally interact with the lowest of the low more often than with the good folk, so they get a jaded view that everyone is bad. As a teacher, I've seen so many kids cheat that I have to tell myself not to perceive every student I encounter as a cheater.






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GreatLakesTiger24
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i meant the person the cop is dealing with





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You see videos of our soldiers in the Middle East who are in the most stressful situation possible. And yet, you see these videos where they manage to be polite to the locals. Cheerful, even.


and then you see videos of them pissing on corpses...

good example.






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BTHog
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As a teacher, I've seen so many kids cheat that I have to tell myself not to perceive every student I encounter as a cheater.



The difference of course is the potential consequences of a cop misjudging someone as opposed to you misjudging a student.

Just as a small example of this. Take a hostage situation. SOP is to put EVERYONE in handcuffs when an arrest is made and sort them out later. Sure that means some innocent people go into cuffs.







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ocelot4ark
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What the hell, man? Are they supposed to hold a habeas corpus hearing for every report of illegal activity that they receive?


I'm saying that Rule 4 was most likely their basis for the search.

But I think it's a slippery slope, absolutely. Some bro steals your girlfriend? Tell campus PD he's got booze in his room. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But at the very least he's going to have to deal with the cops for a little while.

It's the same problem with these police informants and them saying "So and so is a dealer." Some dude just randomly said that about a dude in Colorado (ex Marine) a few years back and the cops killed him when they raided his drug-free home.

So it's not just THIS policy I have a problem with, but the whole hearsay aspect of investigations somehow being enough to garner a warrant.






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DanTiger
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And that is no excuse, whatsoever, for treating anyone poorly. None.

You guys get pissed when people talk or say shitty things to cops, as illustrated in this thread. Okay, I can see that. But what if the person who's doing that ALSO deals with the scum of the Earth day-in and day-out, just in a different capacity. Cops don't, or shouldn't, get a free pass to be dicks to people just because they have a hard job to do.

You see videos of our soldiers in the Middle East who are in the most stressful situation possible. And yet, you see these videos where they manage to be polite to the locals. Cheerful, even.

It's possible. You just have to WANT to have a relationship with the public that doesn't revolve around you proving how "hard" or "badass" you are


I don't diagree with most of your post but that does not change the fact that it is a reality. I also assure you that soldiers do not have a cheery view of the enemy, or many times, even the people they are helping. We didn't call the vietnamese derogatory names because we liked them. The police were "white mice" and you don't want to know what we called ARVN. This is simply human nature.






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HarryBalzack
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The difference of course is the potential consequences of a cop misjudging someone as opposed to you misjudging a student.


Sure, I said that to show that we can all become jaded by our negative interactions with others and should use wisdom and common sense to remind ourselves that bad experiences are not representative of the whole.






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TheOcean
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but the whole hearsay aspect of investigations somehow being enough to garner a warrant.


Do you have a better suggestion? Unfortunately there will always be errors in law enforcement and enforcing the law. It's just a part of the system.






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ocelot4ark
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So you're claiming cops aren't for the most part polite and respectful in most situations? And you claim this after you've already admitted in this thread the very limited instances you've personally encountered what you consider a "bad" cop?


I never said they were all GOOD cops. Just only 1 BAD cop, who was outwardly acting beyond the scope of his duties. I've had plenty of cops just be rude to me. But do you deny, as the cops here are admitting to, that cops have a tendency to be rude/short to people sometimes?

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So in my experience, cops for the most part do well in performing their jobs. Of course, I'm not some disrespectful douce bag like this student.


I'm making no claims regarding their effectiveness as police officers, only how they deal with the public and only how certain situations can be helped by non-escalating speech.






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TheOcean
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that cops have a tendency to be rude/short to people sometimes?


With all of the bull shite they have to put up with on a daily basis, I can understand it. We are all human.






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It was funny as hell hearing the kid make fun of the cop to his face. You could tell he wanted to protect and serve the kid's face in but couldn't





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ocelot4ark
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This is just further evidence that the profession attracts the lowest common denominator. Cops should be the example for society. Not the dumbfrick reactionaries we see nowadays.


Doesn't mean that all cops are the lowest common denominator. Doesn't mean that all cops are reactionaries. But the LCD's that DO make the force are the ones that would seem to react in the manner I'm referring.






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BTHog
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But I think it's a slippery slope, absolutely. Some bro steals your girlfriend? Tell campus PD he's got booze in his room. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But at the very least he's going to have to deal with the cops for a little while.


and if the police didn't respond to every piece of information and missed something that got someone who was truly innocent hurt or killed?

I think you just have no idea what the job entails.

And I'm not saying this particular cop was well versed but when you do the job you learn how to tell who's a good person and who's guilty of something. Take this kid for instance. There's noway you don't know he poured that booze out that window. His attitude just fit into that of doing what you heard he did. Do you think the cops would have even entered the room if when they knocked a little poindexter opened the door and nearly shite his pants when he seen the badge?

It is what it is. With experience comes the ability to read people and act accordingly.

But to suggest that cops shouldn't investigate something based on an eyewitness account is just silly.







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ocelot4ark
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and then you see videos of them pissing on corpses...

good example.


So you think all of our military are scum, huh?

Sorry. Just applying cop-apologist logic.






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GreatLakesTiger24
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Bull shite. I got pulled over plenty while I was under 25 and my dad is from northern Africa, so I don't look like your average white kid, and yet I still didn't have problems. Nice try though.



yup. your experience changes everything.






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GreatLakesTiger24
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what would have happened if the cops didn't go up to his room? something tragic i suppose.





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HarryBalzack
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But I think it's a slippery slope, absolutely. Some bro steals your girlfriend? Tell campus PD he's got booze in his room. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But at the very least he's going to have to deal with the cops for a little while.


Could be. In the situation you listed, though, the person making that complaint should be charged with filing a false report. Additionally, the defense attorney, if he/she's worth a shit, will challenge the basis for the cop's suspicions, including the complainant/witness's character. The same can be true about witness testimony in court, but no one would argue that we should exclude it or that juries shouldn't convict based upon witness testimony.

There's an inherent chance that some will misuse the system like you state, but that's no reason to discount the entire system anymore than saying that because one nut job kills someone with a gun we need do something about guns.

I know a local case at this moment, where one drug dealer was turning in other drug dealers to weed out his competition. Guess what? That guy is under surveillance now himself and is going to get a trafficking charge dropped on him soon.






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BTHog
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what would have happened if the cops didn't go up to his room? something tragic i suppose.


Yes indeed, I feel ANY reported crime that isn't investigated is a tragedy.







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