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LSUconvert 
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:10 pm to wryder1)
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wryder1
Lemme give you a hint.
Ad hominem is bad and means you lost.
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You have no brains, no balls and no backbone.
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NaturalBeam
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:11 pm to Powerman)
How long a period of time are we talking about here? And I woul lean toward saying no. What is "morality" anyway? Was it really immoral of the cave man to kill his neighbor for no reason? We, in 2012, look back and say yes. But I don't know of it was really immoral at the time - everyone behaved like the cave man, so he's only acting in the same way as everyone else.
Now, society has certainly become more refined over time, there's no arguing that. But we can't judge morality on past generations by the same standards that we hold today b/c OF COURSE it would be improved over time. IMO, the only way to compare morality is to compare it to the generation at hand.
Otherwise, that's like arguing who the best baseball player ever was. You can't dismiss the idea that it was Babe Ruth just because of the fact that he wouldn't be able to cut it in single-A ball here in 2012. You can only compare him against his peers at the time, when he was dominant.
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Scruffy 
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:17 pm to wryder1)
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How can you say your generations didn't steal from future generations when Obama has put this country farther into debt than any other generation?
My generation wasn't the one that got him elected. 
18-29 year olds age group is not what got Obama elected. It was the 30-64 year olds. That age group voted in much higher numbers than mine and voted for Obama as well.
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Your arrogance and those like you is sickening. You have no brains, no balls and no backbone. You are a hypocrite of the highest level as you expect people to believe you just because you say it. You have no structure to your arguments other than saying, " bc I said so" or " you are a racist " or some smartass comment that makes no sense other than to your other like minded ppl.
Wow.
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:17 pm to wryder1)
Ah, Gen WF. Great stuff. First studied it in the 70s. Posted it on this board a couple of times. But Scruffy doesn't resemble your post. He seems lucid.
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Scruffy
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:19 pm to Zach)
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He seems lucid.
"Seems" is the important term.
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NaturalBeam
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:21 pm to Scruffy)
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18-29 year olds age group is not what got Obama elected. It was the 30-64 year olds. That age group voted in much higher numbers than mine and voted for Obama as well.
ehh, I agree with most all your stances but I dont really buy this. I haven't seen the numbers, but if 18-29 year olds didn't directly help elect him, they sure didn't stand in his way much. I also doubt that demographic supported RP or Johnson, as I did, in any meaningful numbers sadly.
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:22 pm to Scruffy)
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Whoa, slow your roll there double d. My generation didn't steal from an entire future generation.
Damn, that's cold!
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Scruffy
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:24 pm to NaturalBeam)
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ehh, I agree with most all your stances but I dont really buy this. I haven't seen the numbers, but if 18-29 year olds didn't directly help elect him, they sure didn't stand in his way much. I also doubt that demographic supported RP or Johnson, as I did, in any meaningful numbers sadly.
I'm not saying that they didn't help. They did largely vote for Obama (some 66% I think). Thee difference is that they accounted for 18% of the total votes while the other group accounted for 66% of total votes.
Then again, I may be wrong and it was my generation that got him elected.
Either way, that guy was angry.
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Powerman
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:25 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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That would suggest all societies at all times have had the same morality, that's "insane".
You see. The answers do provide for a good litmus test.
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:27 pm to Powerman)
morals are rapidly declining. Civilized society cannot exist without morality.
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Powerman
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:31 pm to lsu_tiger_az)
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Can you cite some of these improvements in morality....
Well as far as the U.S. goes one of the other posters listed out some things in the past that would essentially never happen today.
Slavery
Jim Crow Laws
Japanese in internment camps
You are seeing a trend of violent crime going down.
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The Easter Bunny 
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:35 pm to Scruffy)
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My generation wasn't the one that got him elected.
Not to mention, Obama is not from our generation either. He's not Gen X or Gen Y, he'd be a late baby boomer I suppose.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:37 pm to LSUconvert)
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Difference is, some people recognize it.
Depends on your perspective. I say while "morals" have changed, people generally adapt to them. Relatively the same.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:38 pm to Powerman)
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Well as far as the U.S. goes one of the other posters listed out some things in the past that would essentially never happen today.
If there is any improvement it is because of stress, you stress the society and things you consider immoral will appear or reappear. No internment camps but we have enhanced interrogation centers. We don't throw unwanted babies in a river or abandon them in the woods we abort them.
Decades ago it was considerd immoral to avoid work and be dependent on others if it was unnecessary,
it was immoral not to support your children
gluttony was formerly frowned upon today it is a opportunity at the third of the month
today they are the new normal
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:38 pm to Revelator)
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Yes because everyone knows the true litmus test for insanity is if people agree with your position or not.
nailed it.
Either
Old people are stupid, young people are hip
or
Old people do it right, young people are frickups.
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Powerman
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:41 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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No internment camps but we have enhanced interrogation centers.
And there is a lot of public outcry from that, particularly from younger generations. I wouldn't be surprised to see those cease to exist eventually. Or they would be so secret that no one would know about their existence.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:43 pm to LSUconvert)
Saying they have improved is no better or worse than saying they worsened.
This post was edited on 12/8 at 3:44 pm
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Bestbank Tiger 
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:44 pm to Scruffy)
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They did largely vote for Obama (some 66% I think). Thee difference is that they accounted for 18% of the total votes while the other group accounted for 66% of total votes.
The under 30 set might not be big enough to elect Ogump singlehandedly, but you still supported him by a large margin and added to his mandate (and might even have given him his margin of victory).
And the point still stands--you can't accuse other generations of stealing from future taxpayers when your own generation overwhelmingly endorsed that same policy. Well, you can, but you'll look like a hack.
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TheDoc
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:44 pm to Powerman)
Obviously yes
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Powerman
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 3:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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Saying they have improved is no better or worse than saying they worsened.
So less violent crime and no slavery is not an improvement?
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