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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:13 pm to Powerman)
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Would people in the 1840s have a problem with aborting fetuses? I would have to imagine probably not. A society that enslaves people doesn't value human life. It sure as shite wouldn't care about fetuses.
i mean if we're counting based on lives, advances in science have probably saved more than 56M babies since 1900
advances in science in food production alone have saved billions of lives
for how immoral and anti-god science is proclaimed to be, it has saved a bunch of lives
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:18 pm to DCRebel)
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Well I'd say you're wrong.
Well - I would disagree with you.
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:20 pm to Gmorgan4982)
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An ever-increasing number of stupid laws, especially drug laws, leads to this.
Such as?
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 5:14 pm to Diamondawg)
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 5:20 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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for how immoral and anti-god science is proclaimed to be, it has saved a bunch of lives
The same science is credited with developing the technology for chemical warfare, germ warfare, the nuclear bomb, and numerous chemical concoctions that kill, cripple and shortens life and the quality of life. Oh, and a host of Psychotropic drugs that keep people in a zombie like stupor.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 5:23 pm to Revelator)
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The same science is credited with developing the technology for chemical warfare, germ warfare, the nuclear bomb, and numerous chemical concoctions that kill, cripple and shortens life and the quality of life.
the potential to do all of this (and basically end human life on earth), yet we're more populated and have longer lives than in any point in history
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Diamondawg
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 5:24 pm to Gmorgan4982)
That makes no sense. Prison population started increasing way before Obama was elected and it actually started a bit of a downward trend recently. I wish someone would put a stop to his executive order bullshitee but it has nothing to do with this. Plus, I am not looking through 11,000+ regulations to figure out what you are talking about. So, what are you talking about?
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 5:27 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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the potential to do all of this (and basically end human life on earth), yet we're more populated and have longer lives than in any point in history
I'm just making the obvious point that science can be used for both good and bad and it's convenient for you to only magnify the positives.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 5:29 pm to Revelator)
well it's just in response to a religious poster making claims about deaths
one reason we've advanced is shedding religion and not having it restrict scientific development
this has led to saving many more lives than the 56M to have been allegedly killed via abortion
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 5:49 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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this has led to saving many more lives than the 56M to have been allegedly killed via abortion
I don't think saving lives cancels out the immoral practice of abortion.
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catholictigerfan
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 6:23 pm to Powerman)
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So abortion being legal is such a moral outrage that it trumps slavery?
yes killing a human being is worse then slavery I don't see why that is so hard for you to rap your head around.
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 6:25 pm to DCRebel)
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But that's the debate, CTF. Not everyone would agree with that sentiment, and therefore not everyone would agree with this:
we are talking about our own opinion not the opinion of society.
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catholictigerfan
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 6:27 pm to Powerman)
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I have a hard time believing that this value on the unborn thing isn't actually new itself also
Would people in the 1840s have a problem with aborting fetuses? I would have to imagine probably not. A society that enslaves people doesn't value human life. It sure as shite wouldn't care about fetuses.
that is a good point and if you are correct about this then I would guess our morals have gotten better,
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catholictigerfan
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 6:29 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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i assume you're not going to continue to post in this thread?
its called the saints game dude.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 6:35 pm to catholictigerfan)
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its called the saints game dude.
that's not what i meant
if you're going to say "it all boils down to abortion" and then say, to you, it's worse than a, b, c combined, then i don't really know if you have anything else to say on the issue 
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 6:50 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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i mean if we're counting based on lives, advances in science have probably saved more than 56M babies since 1900 advances in science in food production alone have saved billions of lives
That's true, but it's not a moral improvement. People in the past wouldn't have considered it a bad thing to find a way to stop polio or improve food production capacity. They just weren't as good at medicine or agriculture as we are. And we aren't as good as people 100 years from now will be.
As far as world hunger is concerned, I can think of another example of declining morality: putting food in our gas tanks when it's clear that there is no benefit to doing so. The only effects are exacerbating the Gulf dead zone and causing hundreds of millions of people to go hungry. But our "morally superior" government continues with that policy and "morally superior" libs vote for the people responsible.
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catholictigerfan
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 7:00 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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if you're going to say "it all boils down to abortion" and then say, to you, it's worse than a, b, c combined, then i don't really know if you have anything else to say on the issue
i see where your coming from
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 8:10 pm to catholictigerfan)
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we are talking about our own opinion not the opinion of society.
Exactly.
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 8:14 pm to Powerman)
It depends what your goals are. If your goal is "tame" or all around decent behavior, then absolutely yes.
I don't think people are any better or worse in an absolute sense than they ever have been. Institutions / training just channel their inclinations in different directions and shape their desires in new ways.
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Powerman
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| re: Litmus test for insanity: In your opinion has morality improved over time? (Posted on 12/9/12 at 10:16 pm to Revelator)
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I'm just making the obvious point that science can be used for both good and bad and it's convenient for you to only magnify the positives.
Sure, but the contributions of science in aggregate have been a huge net positive. It's not like it's neutral.
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