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FelicianaTigerfan 
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 8:51 pm to ClientNumber9)
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Assuming a draft was instituted for a war you didn't support and your number was called, would you dodge the draft and refuse to fight or would you report for military service anyway?
I'd be first in line at the bus stop for boot camp
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do you feel the United States has the legal right to force its citizens to wage war, regardless of an individual's personal beliefs about the conflict?
Absolutly
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 8:55 pm to prplhze2000)
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and i would have no problem killing you or any other draft dodger.
That's kinda nuts.
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WikiTiger
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 8:56 pm to FelicianaTigerfan)
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Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Yea yea, I know, I know, a bunch of lawyers in robes already ruled that the words in that amendment don't actually mean what they say.
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dr smartass phd
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 8:58 pm to ClientNumber9)
20 yr olds are drafted first, the rest 21 to 25 are drafted according to needs. If we get down to drafting 18-19 yr olds, then the war is going real bad, for us.
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:07 pm to ClientNumber9)
A war with our draft may REALLY help the economy if lots of Americans died. Only poor people would have to go,everyone else would dodge or buy their way out of it, and if they all died we would save huge money on the welfare and the other benefits they would get for the rest of their lives. I am POSITIVE this has been discussed by the powers that be.
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:09 pm to lsu480)
I am POSITIVE your IQ is no more than a double digit number.
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MississippiLSUfan
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:11 pm to ClientNumber9)
No. And no.
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:37 pm to ClientNumber9)
Pretty much the only war I would fight in is if another country invaded America.
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:56 pm to ClientNumber9)
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do you feel the United States has the legal right to force its citizens to wage war,
With all due respect, legal really has nothing to do with the spirit of the question, unless you believe all laws should and must be followed. Moral right is different, and no, I don't believe they do.
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evil cockroach
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 10:00 pm to ClientNumber9)
If I knew the draft was coming up, I'd go join the Air Force, navy, air national gaurd, corps of engineers, etc
But I would not dodge the draft, I would simply join the service I wanted to do before the gov told me what to do
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 10:14 pm to evil cockroach)
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If I knew the draft was coming up, I'd go join the Air Force, navy, air national gaurd, corps of engineers, etc
That makes the draft efficient, it promotes enlistments that would not otherwise occur, reducing the need for a draft.
FYI You can't join the Corps of Engineers.
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 10:20 pm to ClientNumber9)
Starting at square one, there's a difference between a draft dodger and a draft resister. It was relatively easy to dodge the draft during Vietnam, at least for a few years of your eligibility. Those who did so were generally not looked down upon, as it was all perfectly legal. One went from a draft dodger to a draft resister when he got his notice to report for a physical (first step), or having cooperated with that phase, when he was actually called for induction (second step, for those who previously passed the physical/psychological evaluation at the earlier date). That is the point at which resisters made the decision to refuse induction and possibly go to jail, or leave the country, or go underground in the States and hope not to be found. Simply dodging the draft was not all that much of a moral commitment to a principle. Nothing was being put on the line until they were actually drafted.
With no draft for three decades, it's very easy to talk big about refusing to go, because you will never have to back those words up. Guys who went to jail or Canada or underground did not only affect their own lives, but those of their family members as well. I knew many guys who swore they'd never go but once Decision Day came, and their futures were about to be carved out for them, suddenly the draft wasn't that bad of an alternative.
Big talk .. heard it , seen it, laughed at it when it wasn't backed up. There were a LOT of draft DODGERS, and I had no problem with them, more power to them. But there weren't really all that many guys who really went through with a decision to alter their lives for their foreseeable futures (as they could not know that Amnesty would be offered a few years later for those who left the country.)
Had there been internet message boards during Vietnam, I'm sure there would have been about 30 million guys who would have anonymously swore they would resist when actually called. Yet in reality very few actually did.
The easiest decisions in life are the ones you don't actually have to make. Hypothetical situations, such as that presented in the OP, are a piece of cake to deal with.
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 10:33 pm to NHTIGER)
Good post, I'd just use the term draft avoider for what you call a draft doger as draft dodger does have a pejorative meaning and is pretty close to a draft resister, those two are about the same in my view. But we are talking about the same ethical difference.
I was class of 65, and my high school class was about 600, I know only one guy that went to Canada and he was a British citizen legal resident of the US, 2 went to Israel to join the IDF, just about everyone I knew went to college, those that flunked out joined the coast guard or the marines, some became cops, most on graduation were either commissioned, had gotten into the NG or reserves or got simply inducted, a few managed to get grad school deferments and avoided the enitre thing. I'd say 75% of my HS class had some form of military or alternative service, the remaining 25% were physically unfit or used school till the draft ended,
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evil cockroach
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 2:57 am to CarrolltonTiger)
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FYI You can't join the Corps of Engineers.
<--- BS in Chem-E and I got political connections
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 4:43 am to ClientNumber9)
Nope, I wouldn't be a draft dodger. I 100% support a draft in fact they need to bring it back.
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 7:46 am to ClientNumber9)
Absolutely and I'm a combat veteran (well, technically as I didn't see much action).
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lsutothetop 
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 8:32 am to ClientNumber9)
Absolutely. No government has that right.
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and i would have no problem killing you or any other draft dodger. Draft dodgers are the same as mutineers. Period. And they should be treated the same way.
You are a shitty human being.
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TrueTiger
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 8:35 am to ClientNumber9)
If it was a war to prevent a state or state from peacefully seceding, I would bug out.
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 9:02 am to ClientNumber9)
Would depend on situation.
World Was II situation I guess I show up.
Vietnam or Iraq war situation. I am a Canadian.
The days of a draft I feel are over. Why would that many "boots on the ground" be needed anywhere?
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| re: Would you be a draft dodger in a war you didn't believe in? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 10:07 am to ClientNumber9)
No.
And it was a decision I was faced with during Vietnam. I opposed the war. When I turned 18 I told me family and friends "I will not enlist. But if I'm drafted I will serve." I did not get drafted.
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