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los angeles tiger
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re: Will Christian Churches Be Forced to Accept Gay Marriage/Rights as Normal?


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Just so those who may not be following at home...you are either currently or WERE a gay man, that's correct, yes? I'm fine with that. I just find your incessant need to name call Toddy for being gay (you may as well call him a faig) kind of, um...funny.



This highlights your inability to think critically of the entire picture. I am not the one that insist everyone else must CHANGE what they believe (marriage) and insist that those who do not provide things like adoption services (Catholic Charities) should be forced to do so as I demand. That's Toddy who is doing that. I don't want government more involved in my life - I want things like income taxes abolished because they violate freedom. It's Toddy and his leftist friends and you that do that. I hate tyrrany and Toddy is a lover of tyranny.

Marriage is not a right that must be forced upon the people by government. The very government that provides "gay rights to marriage" which is a contract then has the complete power to regulate sexual relations and limit them to only those that are married. Hell, all other "contracts" have lots of government rules and regulations and most of those contracts aren't ones people want to have to obtain, such as being able to sell cookies from your home.






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los angeles tiger
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re: Will Christian Churches Be Forced to Accept Gay Marriage/Rights as Normal?


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I find it ironic that you feel the need to call out Toddy in such a manner when it's been established in the past that you too enjoy/ed cock.


See, you make it about sex that you say is no one elses business but you are all up in my business on this. You've got a mote in your eye, buddy, or is that a big woody cock?






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GeauxTigerTM
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re: Will Christian Churches Be Forced to Accept Gay Marriage/Rights as Normal?


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Just so those who may not be following at home...you are either currently or WERE a gay man, that's correct, yes? I'm fine with that. I just find your incessant need to name call Toddy for being gay (you may as well call him a faig) kind of, um...funny.


This was my question...you banged out this.

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This highlights your inability to think critically of the entire picture. I am not the one that insist everyone else must CHANGE what they believe (marriage) and insist that those who do not provide things like adoption services (Catholic Charities) should be forced to do so as I demand. That's Toddy who is doing that. I don't want government more involved in my life - I want things like income taxes abolished because they violate freedom. It's Toddy and his leftist friends and you that do that. I hate tyrrany and Toddy is a lover of tyranny.

Marriage is not a right that must be forced upon the people by government. The very government that provides "gay rights to marriage" which is a contract then has the complete power to regulate sexual relations and limit them to only those that are married. Hell, all other "contracts" have lots of government rules and regulations and most of those contracts aren't ones people want to have to obtain, such as being able to sell cookies from your home.


Exactly my point.






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thetempleowl
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How?


Allowing the child to mature unmolested to an age where he can actually consent is giving the child its freedom.

Or do you not get this basic idea?






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GeauxTigerTM
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re: Will Christian Churches Be Forced to Accept Gay Marriage/Rights as Normal?


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See, you make it about sex that you say is no one elses business but you are all up in my business on this.


I'm simply pointing out that you namecalling Toddy for being gay is akin to BHP (sorry, nothing meant by that) calling out some posters for being black by using all the worst epithets and stereotypes imaginable...all without anyone else knowing he himself is black. Despite the fact that Toddy is a magnet for this type of thing here, you are by FAR the worst...which is, as I said, a bit funny to me.

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You've got a mote in your eye, buddy, or is that a big woody cock?



Again...never really my gig. Not that I'm anti-cock...I've just never seen one that's aroused my interest, so to speak.






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thetempleowl
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re: Will Christian Churches Be Forced to Accept Gay Marriage/Rights as Normal?


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In divorce settings, children over 12 have great powers in their decisions of the parental home to live in.



And...

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As such, if a 15 year old wants to have sex with a 45 year old man, you okay with that?


Oh, you are soooo clever. Uh, no. Not the same. The child is not free to choose who she or he will live with. There testimony is given weight, but they do not get to decide.

So in answer to the moronic question posed, no.

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I suppose you are in view of your argument.



No, because I am not a moron.






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LSUconvert
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If you can only get 52% of the vote in that nutjob state, there's not a f*cking chance that this will be considered "normal" or mainstream for AT LEAST another hundred years.


You haven't seen very much polling on this issue, have you?

Oh wait, inb4pollsareincorrectiftheydisagreewithme






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thetempleowl
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So why in the hell do you support Obama and any one that wants to tax the rich more, not for the purpose of actually fixing anything, but for the sheer power of it as he has not plans to curtail spending which is the actual problem.


I do not support this.

I actually voted for R2, but my vote doesn't matter since I am in texas.






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AlaTiger
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re: Will Christian Churches Be Forced to Accept Gay Marriage/Rights as Normal?


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thetempleowl


I did not write this post asking what you thought about the legitimacy of Christianity or the Bible. You think it is a bunch of fairy tales. I get it. You only say it constantly.

I was asking about which way things would go when gay marriage becomes the law of the land in regard to the First Amendment rights of those who ascribe to religions who denounce the practice. For where you actually engaged with the question, I thank you.

For the rest of your anti-religion rant, I get it, but that really was not the point. I think you just like to say that stuff whenever you get a chance. Or, even when you don't have a chance.

You might think about God more than most people, actually.






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thetempleowl
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What you are saying is you hate freedom and you support the abolishment of the first amendment.


Uh, that is what a total moron would think I said.

Do you think I said that?






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thetempleowl
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What Temple easily proposes is that if you don't obey the government, the government has the right to put you to death


Again, only a moron would think that is what I mean.

Now LAT seems to be saying that gays should be allowed legally to get married in all 50 states, that it is a federal decision, and that churches that don't marry gays get stripped of their tax exempt status.

Now LAT, you see, I don't even support that. I don't see how you can actually believe that. You see what I did there?







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GumboPot
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re: Will Christian Churches Be Forced to Accept Gay Marriage/Rights as Normal?


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AlaTiger


With the definition of marriage seemingly evolving due to governmental force, I wonder if some churches will respond by developing a word for marriage between a man and a woman to distinguish that covenant from the government form of "marriage"?






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thetempleowl
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I did not write this post asking what you thought about the legitimacy of Christianity or the Bible. You think it is a bunch of fairy tales. I get it. You only say it constantly


That is not entirely true. Much of the bible lists rules from God that would benefit society at that time or they thought it would benefit society at that time.

Much of what they preach at its core I like and believe in. But then the core of many religions believe the same thing. Its the dressing on top that bothers me.

Also, blinding listing a book that is filled with errors written thousands of years ago as a moral beacon seems a bit flawed.

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I was asking about which way things would go when gay marriage becomes the law of the land in regard to the First Amendment rights of those who ascribe to religions who denounce the practice


If I would fight for the KKK to be able to speak, do you not think I would fight for anyone else to speak?

The way to battle stupid thoughts is not to stiffle that stupid thought, it is with saying the correct thing.

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For the rest of your anti-religion rant, I get it, but that really was not the point. I think you just like to say that stuff whenever you get a chance. Or, even when you don't have a chance.


I simply point those things out for people who blindly believe what their religion tells them to, perhaps a bit of history into that religions past could be helpful in pointing out that they are as bad as any politician.

Heck, just look into the recent church sex abuse scandals. The church not uncommonly makes mistakes and is run by some really seedy people sometimes.

I think people don't realize that just as politics in this country is bad, the politics in the church is worse.

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You might think about God more than most people, actually.


I really am a simple guy. I believe in a God. And I believe that organized religion often falls to the weaknesses of man. It is often the fate of large religions. The more power someone gets in that religion, the less likely they are to truly be about that religion. Its all about politics.






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thetempleowl
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re: Will Christian Churches Be Forced to Accept Gay Marriage/Rights as Normal?


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With the definition of marriage seemingly evolving due to governmental force


I see what you did there.

Uh, no. Actually the definition of marriage has varied dramatically over the ages.

And it will continue to change. I think religions are trying to place an actual definition when one didn't exist before.






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buddhavista
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re: Will Christian Churches Be Forced to Accept Gay Marriage/Rights as Normal?


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Does anyone else find this type of ad hom attack from lat as tiresome and ironic as I do?


He is the first to cry foul when you hurl an insult, which is what I find tiresome.

If the gloves are off, and calling someone a cocksucker is definitely glove off behavior.......then the gloves are off. There is no crying in internet message board world.






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Poodlebrain
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re: Will Christian Churches Be Forced to Accept Gay Marriage/Rights as Normal?


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Yes. I think within the next few years churches will lose 501(c) status if they do not allow for gay marriage in their respective churches.
You're delusional. Charities discriminate all the time. There are charities that benefit specific races, sexes , religions, diseases, children of LSU football players, etc. They all retain their tax-exempt status, and contributions to those charities are still tax deductible.






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los angeles tiger
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re: Will Christian Churches Be Forced to Accept Gay Marriage/Rights as Normal?


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It is often the fate of large religions. The more power someone gets in that religion, the less likely they are to truly be about that religion. Its all about politics.


First off, most in this nation aren't a part of a "large" religion that is run by a head man. Oh, never mind, lefties are and their Pope is Obama. Oh, I refuse to bow to that god of yours named Obama.






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McLemore
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re: Will Christian Churches Be Forced to Accept Gay Marriage/Rights as Normal?


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Just as any group in 2012 would be looked down upon if they opposed interracial marriage


this idiotic argument will be repeated until every moron believes it.






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los angeles tiger
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re: Will Christian Churches Be Forced to Accept Gay Marriage/Rights as Normal?


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And it will continue to change. I think religions are trying to place an actual definition when one didn't exist before.


It didn't exist before and religions are now trying to define it? Really? Christianity has always defined marriage as the union of one man and one woman. It's been that way for 2,000 years and Christianity, whether you acknowledge it or not, has been the fiber of the western culture.
Marriage is a sacrament in Catholicism but you go ahead and believe your lie. Actually, your statement shows that you don't think it was ever defined but now you think those who say there has been a definition of marriage are intolerant to its change.

Regarding age of consent, that has drastically changed over the ages and you are claiming otherwise in another thread and ridiculing another poster regarding this. When I was 18 I could legally drink alcohol in Louisiana. Eighteen year olds can't now but they have the right to marry and can serve in the military as well as vote.

Temple, I wish you would ridicule Islam like you do Christianity but I have never seen you do that. You know, the religion that is slaughtering Christians around the world for being Christians. The religion that the left in this nation defends while they hate Christians.






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DCRebel
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re: Will Christian Churches Be Forced to Accept Gay Marriage/Rights as Normal?


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I am strictly asking about whether the First Amendment protections of religious freedom will apply to those Christian groups that declare homosexuality to be sin and thus do not recognize gay marriage


I believe it does and will.






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