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Didn't stop 'necks form claiming otherwise


Well, if you don't have sex with both men and women, also trannies pre-op and post-op, you are an intolerant neck.






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You'd better stick with.......remind me again, what the frick IS your area of expertise???


I heard he's not good at giving blowjobs yet claims to be an expert.



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Romans 1:26-27 King James Version (KJV) 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was met.


The King James Version sounds way raunchier.






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Toddy loves to be the expert about the Bible until it is pointed out that he doesn't know. He's just bigoted because a lot of people don't applaud him for being a cocksucker.

He hasn't read Acts 10 where St. Peter had the dream to reveal to him about the various animals that had been unclean were now not unclean. There was not mention of a bowl of dicks or men's a-holes being on the list of foods that are now clean.




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Churches Forced to Accept the Gay.


The Ultimate Goal.








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AlaTiger
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Toddy,

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Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9, 10)


The New Testament is pretty clear on this. It throws the greedy and drunkards and slanderers in there too, so it is not just picking on homosexuals. So, when a Christian says that they cannot approve of that behavior, they are not trying to be hateful. They are simply trying to follow the dictates of their faith.

Now, at the same time, the Bible forbids violence against people who differ from you. It is interesting that Gays try to hang some of the OT proscriptions around Christians and claim that they are being inconsistent if they eat shellfish (that law as put aside in the NT very clearly), but do not wonder why we don't stone adulterers or homosexuals - also put aside in the NT. Christians are acutally being very consistent when they declare the activity to be sin but still proclaim that you should treat sinners with dignity and love while not applauding their behavior.

For the Church that tries to be consistent here - disagree with the sin but still treat the sinner with decency and compassion - they will be branded as hate-filled bigots and shunned in our society because they do not applaud behavior that their Scripture says is sinful.

Will the First Amendment still apply to Christians who do not embrace the gay lifestyle? It will, but only in a narrow sense, I think. The broad understanding throughout culture of religious freedom is probably going to be curtailed over this issue.






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I am thinking of Christian groups on college campuses, Christian charities, etc, who agree with the Bible - both Old and New Testaments - that homosexuality is sin. Will those groups no longer have a place in the new American society? And, if so, how is this not discriminating on the basis of religion, something a liberal, tolerant society is not supposed to do?



I understand what your point is. These are good questions. I just think it's going to be a non issue within a couple of decades. CBS News released a poll this week that showed 73% of Americans under age thirty support gay marriage. This is just not going to be a controversial topic in the future IMO. Religion is going to evolve , as it has always done, with changes in societal attitudes.






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. This is just not going to be a controversial topic in the future IMO.
In that case why are you frickin' harping on it almost every day???






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This is just not going to be a controversial topic in the future IMO.
In that case why are you frickin' harping on it almost every day???


By then he'll be in the Centers for Disease Control's Southeastern Camp that has removed Gay and Bi men from the general population because their inability to control themselves and having brought a new STD to women who didn't know. The government has to take care of everyone and that's what Toddy wants.






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I am strictly asking about whether the First Amendment protections of religious freedom will apply to those Christian groups that declare homosexuality to be sin and thus do not recognize gay marriage etc.


Not exactly sure what you mean here. They will likely be forced to allow a gay persons partner benefits of a spouse. But that is about it.

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How will the govermnent treat these groups?


Luckily we have a history lesson to look at. How churches were treated after interracial marriage became legal and banning them was illegal.

No church was forced to marry any interracial couple.

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Will they lose access to public institutions or settings?


Just because they wouldn't marry a same sex couple? No. However, if they discriminate against gays or other such things, they could lose public funding.

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Will they lose their tax exempt status?


There are many ways they could lose a tax exempt status. If they openly support an anti-gay political candidate. If they run a school that does not allow gay children or children of gay parents. But if you are wondering if they would lose their tax exempt status because of not performing ceremonies for same sex people, that is not going to happen.

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Will they be seen as a cultural pariah?


What do you think of a church in nowhere alabama that would not marry a white and a black couple (one man and one woman)? Or a white guy and an asian girl? Would you think that they are losers?

The church will have to live by what it does. Yes, in time gay marriage will be allowed everywhere in this country. Within a short time after that, people will wonder who the heck the dumbasses are who opposed it. That is the way it goes.

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Will they be considered guilty of "hate speech"?


Why? What do they say? Kill gays?

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Is there a way that groups that oppose homosexuatity on religious grounds will be able to be accepted in the New America, or will this be the wedge issue that finally delegitimizes religion in the public square (or alters it forever)?


This whole post is rather ridiculous.

First, the fundamentals are getting less legit every day. When they get up and say that evolution is just a theory, when they say that this is a christian nation, when they say that intelligent design should be taught in school, when they say the earth is 6500 years old, they are driving a wedge that separates them from legitimacy.

Their views are opposing gay marriage are just another pimple on an already awful face of their faith.

The real question is whether as science figures more and more stuff out, does this drive religion out of the picture?

People no longer look at the tides and believe that they are miracles because they can't explain them any other way. When there is less and less need for the saying, "I don't know, God did it".

Your questions are really ridiculous. If a religion preaches racist, bigoted, or other ridiculous beliefs, you don't think they should be viewed as being racist, bigoted or stupid? That for some reason their religious belief should excuse this stupidity?

Sorry. That is not the case. You are what you believe in. If your religion teaches racism, and you believe that, you are a racist.

Religion is not some neat little excuse that allows you to be a prick to the rest of the world.

Religion is less and less important in society. That is just the way it is. Religion will either become more or less important in society by its own merits.

But if you are wondering if churches will be able to decline marrying two guys because in their views, though God made them Gay he doesn't want them to be married to someone that he made them attracted to, then they would not be forced by the government to do so.

Just like the government would not force a church to marry a white guy and a black girl.

What the rest of the country thinks about them is kinda up to the rest of the country, don't you think?






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Well, if you don't have sex with both men and women, also trannies pre-op and post-op, you are an intolerant neck.


As the OT says, stupid is as stupid does.







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Toddy loves to be the expert about the Bible until it is pointed out that he doesn't know. He's just bigoted because a lot of people don't applaud him for being a cocksucker. He hasn't read Acts 10 where St. Peter had the dream to reveal to him about the various animals that had been unclean were now not unclean. There was not mention of a bowl of dicks or men's a-holes being on the list of foods that are now clean.


Wow...






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The New Testament is pretty clear on this


OMG! Thats it. You are right. A 2000 year old book that an extremely corrupt institution put together from hundreds of different sources while they were busy being one of the most corrupt institutions in history?

History is filled with horrible popes and horrible acts that the catholic church did. Why would anyone believe anything that a crooked organization actively supported the belief that the sun revolved around the earth and killed people in support of that belief?

I mean really? So because this book, which has an old testament with just juicy rules from the likes of leviticus, in the new testiment says something against gays, well that is it?

Should we look back at the sordid history of the catholic church and the history of the papacy?

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For the Church that tries to be consistent here - disagree with the sin but still treat the sinner with decency and compassion - they will be branded as hate-filled bigots and shunned in our society because they do not applaud behavior that their Scripture says is sinful.


The church picks and chooses rules to enforce as it is. They do not enforce the whole bible. Why not just not follow that ridiculous statement written by foolish people back when they thought the sun revolved around the earth?

The bottom line here is that the church is not consistent.

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Will the First Amendment still apply to Christians who do not embrace the gay lifestyle?


You will be free to believe whatever you want as long as you do not inhibit someone else's freedom.

But seriously, lets go back and look at some of the sordid history of the catholic church and papacy.






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You will be free to believe whatever you want as long as you do not inhibit someone else's freedom.


Should people be free to molest children? Should people be free to steal from others with their natural talents such as brute strength?






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Should people be free to molest children?


You are inhibiting that childs freedom.

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Should people be free to steal from others with their natural talents such as brute strength?


Again, you are inhibiting their rights and freedoms.

Do you not get this?







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Will the First Amendment still apply to Christians who do not embrace the gay lifestyle? It will, but only in a narrow sense, I think. The broad understanding throughout culture of religious freedom is probably going to be curtailed over this issue.


specifically what do you mean by "accept" and "embrace"? These are more thought-based concepts. What sort of freedoms will the religious lose?






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specifically what do you mean by "accept" and "embrace"? These are more thought-based concepts. What sort of freedoms will the religious lose?


Not being allowed on the campuses of public universities like Cal.






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You are inhibiting that childs freedom.


How? What if the 12 year old boy said he wanted to have sex with Kevin Jennings? You would then be prohibiting that childs freedom.






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Should people be free to steal from others with their natural talents such as brute strength?


Again, you are inhibiting their rights and freedoms.

Do you not get this?




So why in the hell do you support Obama and any one that wants to tax the rich more, not for the purpose of actually fixing anything, but for the sheer power of it as he has not plans to curtail spending which is the actual problem.






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You are inhibiting that childs freedom.


In divorce settings, children over 12 have great powers in their decisions of the parental home to live in.

As such, if a 15 year old wants to have sex with a 45 year old man, you okay with that?

I suppose you are in view of your argument.







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