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13SaintTiger
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Man you are dense. The dems were not ready to pass the bill by the usual procedure used in the Senate. Do you dispute that?




Learn how to follow a thread.






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DapperDan
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a want
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The right's position hasn't changed

It changed 180 degrees.

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Now we know they aren't committed to Obama's insanity, just like they weren't when his last budget went down with 0 votes.

You need to limit your Fox news time. Had you sought out legitimate news sources, you would have know the reason for that vote was due to amendments (designed to get 0 votes) from Jeff Sessions. You'd also know that this is pretty much standard operating procedure and both side do it.

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Obama and Reid are playing chicken with the future of economy.

You're suggesting that this is all due to democrats?






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NC_Tigah
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What you responded with is a flat out lie
That's fair criticism. It is not a lie in that I see absolutely no other possible explanation for Reid's conduct. But I'm open. What explanation do you offer?

OTOH, McConnell has a history of doing EXACTLY what he did here.
He has offered up an Obama bill which he presumed would not pass. He insisted on enforced 60 vote Senate Rules for purposes of precedent just as was the case here. When it became evident the Dems had enough votes for passage, the bill was NOT FILIBUSTERED. It could have been. It wasn't. Instead, once debate concluded, McConnell conceded and allowed cloture followed by a vote he knew would not go his way.

That is why the filibuster, or "in effect" filibuster assertions are wholly disingenuous.







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NC_Tigah
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It changed 180 degrees.
Not sure, but I suspect you're mixing metaphors. There are two bills at hand. On the 5th, McConnell forwarded a proposal to give Democrats an opportunity to vote on the President’s $1.6 trillion tax hike plan. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid objected to holding a vote on that bill. But this thread, as I understand it, is about a Dec 6th debate surrounding ceding Debt limit responsibility to the Executive Branch which is a separate issue.
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Senate Republicans want a 60-vote threshold for a debt-limit bill to pass the chamber, but it's actually Democrats who are enforcing the filibuster on their own legislation, insisting on delaying a vote until 1 a.m. Sunday morning.

Republicans offered to let the vote happen Friday night, just minutes after the chamber voted to halt a House Republican bill. All sides expect Democrats' bill will fail too, and the GOP said senators might as well kill both at the same time so that negotiations could move on to a compromise.

"We would be happy to have that vote tonight," Sen. Mitch McConnell, Republicans' leader, offered.

But Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid objected, even though the vote would occur on his own bill. He instead said the chamber would have to run out the full procedural clock, which means a vote in the early hours Sunday morning.

He said he would be willing to move up the vote if Republicans didn't insist on a 60-vote threshold, which has become traditional for big, controversial items to pass the Senate. But the GOP held firm on that demand, so Mr. Reid said he would insist on the full process, which he said would show the country that Republicans were being obstructionist.

. . . Under the rules, to end a filibuster usually requires a vote be delayed until two days after the parliamentary motion is made. But the Senate this year has repeatedly set 60-vote thresholds and held the votes without the two-day delay.





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LSUconvert
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frick your world.



It's your world too.








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LeClerc
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OTOH, McConnell has a history of doing EXACTLY what he did here.


Thanks. That's all I wanted to hear. It's a chess match and McConnell lost this round. Can we agree on that? Sounds like semantics to me.






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a want
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Yeah, it's not like anyone was suggesting that only republicans stoop to this level. It's politics. Everybody does it. As you said, McConnell simply lost this round.





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LeClerc
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Jon Stewart's take on this little episode of As the Senate Turns


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a want
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Blocked here: will watch tonight.

Thanks for posting






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a want
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Had a democrat done this, the thread would have reached 20 pages. easy.






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