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roygu
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So George Bush and Bob Dole are now your heroes.





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WildTchoupitoulas
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Read the discussion re: treaties. Lots of unintended consequences are possible. Not worth the risk for a "feel good" moment.

The problem with your approach is that as soon as the republicans can make hay with this treaty, they'll sign off on it. It has nothing to do with the content of the treaty, if it did, they would've raised objections in the 4 years since it was written by the Bush team, instead of supporting it right up until March of this year.

So as long as it's a partisan battle, and not an ideological one, it still has a chance of passing at a later date.

That's why the OP's question is relevant, 'why did they change their minds, partisanship or ideology?'

Looks like partisanship to me.






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ShortyRob
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The problem with your approach is that as soon as the republicans can make hay with this treaty, they'll sign off on it. It has nothing to do with the content of the treaty, if it did, they would've raised objections in the 4 years since it was written by the Bush team, instead of supporting it right up until March of this year.
Look. Politicking is just one of those things in D.C. Can't stand it, but both sides do it and it is infuriating.

If that's the complaint, then fine. But this whole meme that constantly tries to pretend conservatives want to starve old people, electrocute puppies and break disabled people's good limbs is just tiresome.

Worse, I think there are actually a lot of liberals that really believe conservatives are motivated by such malice.

frick em.






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Mohican
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LINK


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But many Republicans, who accounted for the 38 opposing votes, have been vocal in their opposition to the treaty, which they say infringes on U.S. sovereignty. “I do not support the cumbersome regulations and potentially overzealous international organizations with anti-American biases that infringe upon American society,” Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) said on the Senate floor. “I and many of my constituents who home-school or send their children to religious schools have justifiable doubt that a foreign body based in Geneva, Switzerland, should be deciding what is best for a child at home in Utah,” Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) said, also speaking from the floor.

And former presidential candidate Rick Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator, has taken up opposition to the treaty as a new post-election cause, calling it an “egregious move to deny parents of children with disabilities the right to do what they think is in their child’s best interest.”


Was linked before, but here's Sen. Hutchinson's release from her website LINK:


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Today, U.S. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison issued this statement following the Senate vote on the Convention on Rights for People with Disabilities Treaty: "I have always supported the principles embodied in the Americans with Disabilities Act and I have worked to ensure we provide the very best care and assistance to our disabled veterans. "The A.D.A. provides the highest standard of protections and considerations in the world to special needs populations in this country. Additional support is provided to disabled veterans through a variety of federal laws and resources. "The Convention on Rights for People with Disabilities Treaty wrongly attempts to impose standards on other nations through the United Nations and might well have unintended consequences here at home."



Call it partisan politics, but why would Republicans foolishly alienate an entire block of voters - knowing the PR ramifications of not signing off on this, what we are to believe, is a "symbolic" treaty - if they didn't believe that there were indeed unintended consequences?

Those who say it is all about politics, ask yourself that question. What do Republicans gain by not signing off on it? They don't gain anything, they lose.

No. They actually believe what they are saying. Whether you agree with them or not is a legitimate debate that has been hashed out in this thread. But this isn't pure political posturing.






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DapperDan
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Toddy
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Read the discussion re: treaties. Lots of unintended consequences are possible. Not worth the risk for a "feel good" moment.



Has there ever, in the history of the UN and all the treaties the U.S. has signed, been a situation where a treaty trumped U.S. law ??






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DapperDan
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Mohican
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Why would you sign a treaty saying you're going to pass certain laws if you don't intend to?

Is that how you want America to conduct themselves with the international community?






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Toddy
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Many treaties have become the law of the land. And I'm not sure why you phrase it as trumping the Constitution. The definition of disability in the treaty doesn't have much to do with the Constitution.



These right wing groups led by Santorum have been saying that signing this treaty will have "unintended consequences" that we would possibly be told what to do by the U.N. That's what the senator from Utah was saying last night when Anderson made him look like a complete and utter fool.

Of course there is no precedent for this because IT'S NEVER HAPPENED. So sad the GOP is held hostage by these kooks.







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Jbird
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Bahahahaha you weep for the Republicen party huh? More likely you fap over Anderson and haven't given a reason why this treaty is so critical we needed to pass it in a lameduck session. What would this treaty do on an international level and within the U.S. not a tough question you seem to be all in on the need for this thing to be passed right now?





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CITWTT
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Stupid, go look at Missouri vs Holland(something I have posted about ad nauseum) a USSC decision exactly 100 years old, get back to us when you get a damned clue.





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Jim Rockford
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Call it partisan politics, but why would Republicans foolishly alienate an entire block of voters - knowing the PR ramifications of not signing off on this, what we are to believe, is a "symbolic" treaty - if they didn't believe that there were indeed unintended consequences?


Because the fundagelical wing is against it, for whatever loony reason they've come up with.






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Mohican
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Because the fundagelical wing is against it, for whatever loony reason they've come up with.



And this, my friends, is why we get no where.






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nobodytooimportant
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It's funny Dan still thinks he bested me in this thread. I have decided it serves no purpose to argue with someone who doesn't realize the quotes he posted support my position, mainly that if a treaty differs with US law even after it has been ratified by the sentate, congress still has to pass separate legislation making the changes to the US law. In no circumstance does the UN or any other international body get to change US law.

Does any else remember Fraggle rock, how a bill becomes a law, you know the whole part about passing both the house and the senate. The senate ratifying a treaty can't change US law as the bill doesn't pass the house.






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MFn GIMP
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Because the fundagelical wing is against it, for whatever loony reason they've come up with.

Yep, every conservative/libertarian that opposes this idiotic treaty is a part of the "fundagelical wing." You sure have us pegged.






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Cruiserhog
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The bill did absolutely nothing. Every. Single. Thing. in the bill is already US law.

Thus, the only thing the bill accomplishes if sacrificing American autonomy to the bloated UN.


It did no such thing but thats typical of the conservative stupidity rampant on this board

It wasnt a bill it was ratification of a treaty, the only thing this treaty would have done was put the backing of the US in the hopes that disabled people across the globe received nondiscriminatory treatment.

It had zero enforcement protocols, nada, zilch and gave the U N dick for any type of control over any US citizens

wake the frick up and quit listening to your lying leaders in the Republican party, didnt you get enough of it during the election cycle






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