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DapperDan 
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 4:53 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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texashorn
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 5:04 pm to DapperDan)
From what I have read, there is a RUD (reservation, understanding or declaration) added to the treaty before the U.S. Senate that would have made this particular agreement non-self-executing, which on its face would require implementation of corresponding legislation for it to become law of the land.
But to add to DapperDan's post about the fact that five votes on the Supreme Court could make what was intended to be a non-self-executing treaty into one that is self-executing and, therefore, the law of the land, any RUD (reservation, understanding or declaration) added to a treaty to make it non-self-executing can be withdrawn after ratification by request of the President, and consent of the Senate.
Personally, I do not trust leaving such matters to legal interpretation to where it could, in fact, become law of the land, or subject to the whims of the current President and Senate to backtrack.
Who is to say that if in the next midterm election, the Democrats gain the 2/3 majority necessary, and in conjunction with Obama, withdraw the RUD that made it non-self-executing?
Likewise, even though it could be considered non-self-executing, there would be tremendous pressure from the international community for the United States to comply by passing corresponding legislation, and I have little doubt that Democrats would seize upon this to stir up the electorate and consider it a "mandate" to pass corresponding legislation.
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MFn GIMP
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 5:10 pm to texashorn)
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From what I have read, there is a RUD (reservation, understanding or declaration) added to the treaty before the U.S. Senate that would have made this particular agreement non-self-executing, which on its face would require implementation of corresponding legislation for it to become law of the land.
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee added something like that which would be all well and good if the Treaty, itself, didn't contain the following language
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Article 46 - Reservations
1. Reservations incompatible with the object and purpose of the present Convention shall not be permitted.
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DapperDan
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 11:23 pm to MFn GIMP)
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souldog
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/7/12 at 11:31 pm to DapperDan)
"Diaper Dan" with yet another brilliant observation.
I'll bet every person in your life has the attitude to you of "why are you talking?"
Again with the anti-education thing. Are you a dropout? It certainly sounds that way?
Let me guess - you love Santorum, he the man, right?
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Colonel Toddy 
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 12:01 am to souldog)
Anderson is talking about this again tonight.
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Colonel Toddy
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 12:04 am to Colonel Toddy)
They're claiming it affects parents ability to home school. 
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Colonel Toddy
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 12:07 am to Colonel Toddy)
Anderson is making this senator from Utah look like an idiot. 
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DCRebel 
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 7:15 am to notiger1997)
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I'm quite sure the U.S. disabled are treated about as well as anywhere in the world. Why do we need to have the BS folks at the U.N. helping to write policy that we should follow?
The policy was written based on our laws. It was an incident of the United States being used as an example for the rest of the world.
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DCRebel
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 7:16 am to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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The bill did absolutely nothing. Every. Single. Thing. in the bill is already US law.
If it did nothing, then why vote it down?
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Thus, the only thing the bill accomplishes if sacrificing American autonomy to the bloated UN.
So it does nothing, yet at the same time it "sacrifices [our] autonomy"? It can't be both, sweetheart.
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DCRebel
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 7:19 am to DCRebel)
Never mind, I'm not going to read through the whole thread.
My point is that I think the GOP's wariness of the UN is silly.
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ShortyRob
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 7:21 am to DCRebel)
I'm not reading 15 pages but I've gotta ask.
Are there really people in this thread attempting to pretend that the GOP killed this because they just don't give a shite about disabled people?
I mean really. Are there actually people that think this?
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DCRebel
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 7:29 am to ShortyRob)
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I mean really. Are there actually people that think this?
It's a talking point, but certainly not an actual belief - I hope.
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WildTchoupitoulas
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 8:04 am to ShortyRob)
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I mean really. Are there actually people that think this?
No.
Blunt siad he was voting against it because he thinks it isn't proper to vote on a treaty in a lame duck session. It has nothing to do with the excellent - if off target - analysis of the constitutionality of treaties. His no vote apparently has nothing to do with the language of the treaty.
The more thoughtful posters have read the OP's question and attemted to answer it by actually reading about what some senators have said, less thoughtful posters have said, "I said 'I don't know' That is an answer. I cannot change it." not realizing that the inability to try to know makes one stupid.
The bottom line is that the no vote has nothing to do with the content of the treaty, and everything to do with partisan politics.
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CajunAngele
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 9:15 am to Colonel Toddy)
BREAKING NEWS- CNN- GOP kills every puppy in America and uses a huge sack to also drown every kitten. They also are reported to be trying -just a little-, to stop the Führer Obama from destroying America
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DapperDan
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 9:56 am to WildTchoupitoulas)
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DCRebel
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 9:58 am to DapperDan)
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Partisan or not, it appears to be the prudent decision.
How so? I haven't yet seen a real and consistent argument showing this decision to be prudent.
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 10:02 am to WildTchoupitoulas)
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The bottom line is that the no vote has nothing to do with the content of the treaty, and everything to do with partisan politics.
Correct. 61 Senators voted in favor of the treaty. The five remaining ones required to make up the two-thirds were lobbied up until the end by the hard right, conservative base to vote against ratification. They threw in the towel and figured it wasn't worth the trouble.
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 10:13 am to nobodytooimportant)
Thus you expose your ignorance on the import of treaties entered into by the US in fact. A treaty is considered CO-EQUAL to the Constitution and that has been the case for a century.
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DapperDan
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| re: Why did the GOP kill a treaty for the disabled ? (Posted on 12/8/12 at 10:15 am to DCRebel)
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