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re: Indie/Alternative Obsession
Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:07 am to buddhavista
Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:07 am to buddhavista
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madonna, michael jackson and duran duran
any decade where these are the acts trotted out in an argument has big problems
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Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:08 am to buddhavista
Alternative music has always been popular among people looking for a new sound. The "indie" thing is just the new wave of music the younger generation claims as their own.
Pink Floyd was alternative and experimental, as was Rush at one time. Now they are fairly mainstream. I don't have any issues with indie fans with the exceptions of the ones who think if it isn't indie, it sucks....and if you have heard of it, it's too mainstream.
Pink Floyd was alternative and experimental, as was Rush at one time. Now they are fairly mainstream. I don't have any issues with indie fans with the exceptions of the ones who think if it isn't indie, it sucks....and if you have heard of it, it's too mainstream.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:18 am to Kafka
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any decade where these are the acts trotted out in an argument has big problems
yeah, I am not a fan of any of these. they do bring back a rush of nostalgia. Getting beaten up, getting made fun of, having no friends and no life........
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Pink Floyd was alternative and experimental, as was Rush at one time.
Pink floyd was selling out stadiums in the early 70s, they were alternative like radiohead is alternative.
I was quite surprised they were as successful as they are, given how strange atom heart mother, animals, and meddle are.
Rush probably fit the same bill as radiohead, as they also were huge commercial successes in the late 70s, although I think they were pretty small in the early 70s. But that was before my time.
Rush is one of those bands I have tremendous respect for. Technically they are amazing but the music just doesn't do it for me. Kinda like the inverse of neil young.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Pink Floyd was alternative and experimental, as was Rush at one time
I believe Floyd made the UK top 10 with their first single. Rush fell quite comfortably in the FM AOR Prog category and were getting airplay quite early on.
Beefheart or the Residents I'll give you experimental. But Floyd and Rush, no.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:24 am to buddhavista
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Pink floyd was selling out stadiums in the early 70s, they were alternative like radiohead is alternative.
I was quite surprised they were as successful as they are, given how strange atom heart mother, animals, and meddle are.
Rush probably fit the same bill as radiohead, as they also were huge commercial successes in the late 70s, although I think they were pretty small in the early 70s. But that was before my time.
Rush is one of those bands I have tremendous respect for. Technically they are amazing but the music just doesn't do it for me. Kinda like the inverse of neil young.
Floyd's early stuff was just weird. Good, but strange.
For a different perspective on Rush, seeing the documentary "Beyond The Lighted Stage."
Every generation has it's list of sell out's, etc. I remember people hating on the Stones for becoming too commercialized. There is some great mainstream stuff, and some not so great.
AOR was where "alternative" stuff was played back in the day (early concept) which led to a spin off of Modern Rock/Alternative Rock.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
Today's indie really doesn't have it's roots in AOR or prog. Rush isn't quite a prog band, though they fit in with that grouping better than anywhere else. That's not the forefathers of today's indie.
The equivalent is garage rock in the early 70s, some of the glam stuff like T Rex, and of course, the art scene of NYC in the late 70s which gave birth to the early punk bands like the Heartbreakers (not that one, the other one), Voidoids, Dead Boys, and Television.
Most of modern indie was a reaction AGAINST prog. Punk explicitly, but hardcore and post-punk was also devoutly anti-prog. In fact, prog pretty much can't be indie given its reliance on, well, really expensive post-production technique and high end instrumentation. Bands like ELO and King Crimson could only exist with tremendous major label support.
The equivalent is garage rock in the early 70s, some of the glam stuff like T Rex, and of course, the art scene of NYC in the late 70s which gave birth to the early punk bands like the Heartbreakers (not that one, the other one), Voidoids, Dead Boys, and Television.
Most of modern indie was a reaction AGAINST prog. Punk explicitly, but hardcore and post-punk was also devoutly anti-prog. In fact, prog pretty much can't be indie given its reliance on, well, really expensive post-production technique and high end instrumentation. Bands like ELO and King Crimson could only exist with tremendous major label support.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:39 pm to Baloo
quote:I was with you here.
While off topic, this is why I argue the 1980s is the best decade for music
quote:I thought you were joking here
The 80s gives us Michael Jackson, Prince, and Madonna.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:51 pm to AlxTgr
I'm just saying, it's an incredibly well-rounded decade.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:23 pm to Baloo
Yes, I agree. It's also the decade that drove me away from the radio. I guess I should be grateful for those artists.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:32 pm to Baloo
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And 80s Whitney Houston blows the doors off of her current batch of imitators.
'80s Whitney or Adele? I'll take Whitney.
I would hardly call Adele an imitator of Whitney.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:42 pm to wilceaux
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I would hardly call Adele an imitator of Whitney.
Really? I think they are almost precisely the same/ They do middle-of-the-road R&B inflected pop songs about love for teenage girls. They also have huge vocal ranges and prefer a real "clean" production. How much more similar do they need to be? I mean, as people, radically different, I grant you.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:39 pm to Baloo
My theory is people who listen to Pitbull probably don't give a shite about music.
The people who annoy me the most are those who say "rock music is boring" without giving a valid opinion.
The people who annoy me the most are those who say "rock music is boring" without giving a valid opinion.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:49 pm to lesgeaux
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Not hating or anything (I like all music) but I''m just curious why these genres seem to get a lot more love on the board than others from most posters?
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:03 pm to AlxTgr
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The 80s gives us Michael Jackson, Prince, and Madonna.
I thought you were joking here
The huge 80s pop stars blow the doors off the ones now, those three in particular are icons and very well respected artists...
Im pretty entrenched in the music I like and haven't listened to pop radio in over 20 years probably... but I can still admit when I hear a catchy toe tapper that may last in my stream of consciousness for a week or so.. a good hook, is a good hook..
I actually like Adele, too
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:05 pm to TFTC
quote:Doesn't change the fact that I can't stand their music. I saw/see them as the embodiment of what was wrong with music then.
those three in particular are icons and very well respected artists...
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:07 pm to AlxTgr
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Doesn't change the fact that I can't stand their music. I saw/see them as the embodiment of what was wrong with music then.
BING-frickING-GO
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:20 pm to kbro
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I saw/see them as the embodiment of what was wrong with music then.
Interesting... Ive never thought that and like some songs by them. granted by '84 I would have told everyone I hated them because I started getting immersed in punk rock, etc...
Later in life I snapped out of that perception..
I can see them being the poster children for what was wrong with music, but I think it obviously ran much deeper than those top artists...
much of the embodiment of whats wrong with music can be found in this theread, but hey, they just want to dance I suppose
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This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:27 pm to TFTC
Sure.
Pretty sure that's about when I first heard Pleasant Dreams by The Ramones. That night and me somehow finding the older stuff by The Cars(I learned about them backwards), were the two most important events in music for me.
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granted by '84
Pretty sure that's about when I first heard Pleasant Dreams by The Ramones. That night and me somehow finding the older stuff by The Cars(I learned about them backwards), were the two most important events in music for me.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:30 pm to AlxTgr
I started listening to indie music because i've grown tired of listening to Nirvana/Deep Purple/Pink Floyd ect for the 1,000 time
There's more enjoyment to me finding that obscene band past/present than what is already well known.
There's more enjoyment to me finding that obscene band past/present than what is already well known.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 4:30 pm to AlxTgr
Mine was my older cousin playing me Rolling Stone and Kinks records and the other ('84) was Minor Thread, Black Flag and Bad Brains...
From there it was REM and The Replacements and all other bands fell in place through out the years...
From there it was REM and The Replacements and all other bands fell in place through out the years...
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