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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 11/30/12 at 11:15 pm to BigJim)
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Just to be clear- The voucher program was ruled constitutional.
The funding for the voucher program was ruled not constitutional (diversion of the MFP).
A set-back, but hardly a major one.
Just to be clear, the Fed court on Mon said the funding could not be diverted while the public schools were not meeting deseg requirements. So basically its dead in 40 parishes, which will kill it statewide
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He ordered a stop to implementing the education changes, including the taxpayer-funded voucher program
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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 11/30/12 at 11:42 pm to TigerRob20)
Is it Kelley who is remarried to the former jindal aid? Tall brunette that I think was his budget architect?
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lsu13lsu 
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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 11/30/12 at 11:46 pm to TigerRob20)
I think we should just give vouchers to the terrible students to pay for them to just stay at home. It will be an early unemployment check or something similar that they will probably just get later in life.
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mmtsanders
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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 12/1/12 at 12:31 am to Bard)
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The best option for those families would be to band together with other families in their area and harang the shite out of the local school and school board until things improve.
Obviously you have never had to deal with the local school board/members.
For the parents that want to be involved in their childs education and are willing to make sacrafices, why should they be FORCED by the local school board to send their child to a public school that is failing?
Not everyone can afford to send them to a private school but they are willing to provide their own transportation to another public school in the district.
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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 12/1/12 at 12:46 am to mmtsanders)
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Not everyone can afford to send them to a private school but they are willing to provide their own transportation to another public school in the district.
If they are willing to provide their own transportation to another public school, I would have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is the state spending extra money to ship kids around in what amounts to a giant circle-jerk that doesn't address the real problem.
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Is it Kelley who is remarried to the former jindal aid? Tall brunette that I think was his budget architect?
Yes.
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BigJim
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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 12/1/12 at 2:45 am to League Champs)
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Just to be clear, the Fed court on Mon said the funding could not be diverted while the public schools were not meeting deseg requirements. So basically its dead in 40 parishes, which will kill it statewide
There is a huge difference between not having the vouchers and not funding them through the MFP.
All rulings said the state can have the vouchers; they just cannot fund them through the MFP.
Now watch what happens next:
1. State appeals
2. Appeals court issues a stay on the district court's order.
3. School is over before court can rule (one way or another).
4. In the meantime, legislature comes into session.
5. In the budget for next year, they cut the MFP and use that money to fund the voucher program.
Tah-dah! This is a pyrrhic victory for the teacher's unions.
Just to be clear.
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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 12/1/12 at 9:39 pm to BigJim)
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There is a huge difference between not having the vouchers and not funding them through the MFP.
Your are confusing the state and fed rulings. The fed said NO MONEY. Doesnt matter the source. No money can be used to subvert the deseg order
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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 12/1/12 at 10:21 pm to mmtsanders)
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Not everyone can afford to send them to a private school but they are willing to provide their own transportation to another public school in the district.
It has been in place for a few years now that if your child is zoned for a low performing school that your child can go to a better school in the parish. This was pre-vouchers. Most parents just don't give a crap and keep sending their prize possession to the failing one.
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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 12/2/12 at 8:42 am to tigersaint26)
The same people who run failing schools in EBR are the ones running Baton Rouge Magnet High and other national award winning schools in the parish. The problem is not the public school system, it is the kids attending the failing schools.
Vouchers is nothing but a government handout to private schools who likely were going out of business or were opened up just to grab that free money. If it were about results the money would be prorated for the amount of days the kid is attending, so if you kick them back to public you have to return the money. They would have also graded the school and require the kid to take the LEAP test just like the public schools. If they are so much better it should be no problem to prove it.
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BigJim
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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 12/2/12 at 11:49 am to League Champs)
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Your are confusing the state and fed rulings. The fed said NO MONEY. Doesnt matter the source. No money can be used to subvert the deseg order
No, you are interjecting the federal decision in one school system (automatically assuming it will be replicated in all 40 systems that have deseg agreements) into a thread about the whether the voucher system violates the state constitution.
That MIGHT happen. I doubt it will be as universially applied as you think.
If anyone is confusing the issue, it is you.
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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 12/2/12 at 3:54 pm to BigJim)
If it was just a matter of funds for kids to go to a better school, that's hard to argue bout. But there is another element that popped up, initially, and has since seemingly disappeared. That is some of these so called "private schools" are little more than a sham,with very small actual enrollment & live teachers involved in a class room. Odd, perhaps, but most of these so called schools are all religious based & teach creationalism over evolution. J.White promised to release how certain schools were chosen, but unless I missed it, that information has never been released. Like many things having to do with Bobby's agenda,it comes down to trust & there is very little of that out there now.
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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 12/2/12 at 4:01 pm to cssamerican)
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Vouchers is nothing but a government handout to private schools who likely were going out of business or were opened up just to grab that free money.
Sorry, but that's completely wrong. While there may be some that do get to continue to exist solely because of the voucher system, it will only be a handful.
What this is really about is Jindal wanting an Amway program (it looks good on paper but falls apart when you look more deeply or try to put it into practice in the real world) to propel him back onto the federal stage.
This post was edited on 12/2 at 4:03 pm
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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 12/2/12 at 4:06 pm to TigerRob20)
Maybe they'll rule that the federal government shouldn't be funding school, period. Not in the enumrated powers.
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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 12/2/12 at 4:13 pm to League Champs)
Why was it unconstitutional?
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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 12/2/12 at 6:48 pm to TigerRob20)
Haven't read past the OP but I predict the ruling will be overturned. Take a deep breath.
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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 12/3/12 at 5:56 am to ShoeBang)
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Bad kids make bad schools. FACT.
True enough - but it is bad parents who make bad kids.
There are exceptions to this, but those are a rarity.
The schools are in trouble because the parents of the kids are idiots.
These parents are breeding machines for more parasites whose only purpose is to drain more money from the treasury to support their sloth.
But you are right - the manifestation of all that is the kids in school who have had no positive mentoring in citizenship or responsibility or integrity. Only an exception child with that level of malevolent nurturing can escape the trap built by their parents.
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| re: Vouchers Unconstitutional (Posted on 12/3/12 at 9:19 am to tigersaint26)
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It has been in place for a few years now that if your child is zoned for a low performing school that your child can go to a better school in the parish. This was pre-vouchers. Most parents just don't give a crap and keep sending their prize possession to the failing one.
Isn't that mostly about minorities though? A black student going to a crappy school can transfer to a better-performing, predominantly white school across town and be bused. A white student still in that same crappy school doesn't have the option (unless there is a better-performing, predominantly black school that he/she prefers).
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