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SammyTiger
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A palestinain state is no threat to iserael, the dysfunction caused by te occupation is the threat. But a palestinian state means israel has to give up the land, it won't do that so it accepts the status quo which we support.


So you think Hamas, and organization that fires rockets at civilians, will be 100% satisfied with what they get?

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How would no resistance be different than what happened to those that did not resist nazi occupation? was that a success?


1. Nonviolent resistance isn't no resistance.
2. Different situations completely. All you do is compair apples to oranges, and ignore what is actually going on with the apples.
3. Do you really think Hamas is good for the Palestinian people?






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trackfan
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Reasonable. I am willing ot say that if Hamas committed to non-violent means of independence i woudl support them. I also believe they woudl be much more successful.

bullshite! Hamas didn't even exist until 1987, after 20 years of Israeli occupation. If the Palestinians had never resorted to violence, their cause wouldn't even be on the geopolitical map. Even Ehud Barak admitted that had he been born a Palestinian, he would have joined Hamas. Abbas preaches nonviolence and has gotten absolutely nothing in return.

EDIT: Here's a good USA Today article on Hamas:

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Though Iran "will have a major stake" in trying to get Hamas' rivals to disrupt the deal, Hamas will have to reign in those smaller groups, says Aaron David Miller, vice president of the Woodrow Wilson Center, a Washington think-tank.

"I don't think Hamas would have gone into this agreement if they weren't capable of enforcing it," Miller says.

Though the details are unclear, the agreement is likely to include a sweetener, such as opening up the border with Egypt, which would make Hamas "literally the new king of Gaza," Miller says. If the opening is meaningful, Hamas "will have significant leverage over these smaller groups," he says.

In Gaza, "Hamas' capacity to assert control will be directly related to how the deal improves lives for Palestinians," Miller says.

Israel is likely to require safeguards to make sure an opening of Egypt's border with Gaza does not result in a flood of weapons into the territory, Miller says.

Though Hamas may control what happens in Gaza, it will not be expected to control what happens across its southern border in the Egyptian-controlled Sinai Peninsula where jihadi groups have grown in influence since the Arab Spring uprising that deposed Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in 2011.

Israel is likely to understand Hamas' limitations in the peninsula, Miller says. . . . . .


Though Hamas may not be willing to sit down and negotiate peace with Israel, it may agree to enforce a calm as part of an economic package that Egyptian and Hamas leaders have discussed for months, Schanzer says. . . . . .


Despite its charter that calls for the destruction of Israel, "Hamas doesn't think for a minute they're going to destroy Israel," Schanzer says. "But people are listening, and this is their demand. They want to open up Gaza, and they're counting on Egypt to do it."

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DapperDan
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I judge them by their actions


You limit your judgment on actions to the conclusion you have already come to. Do you know the reasons the United States didn't have a full trade emabrgo with South Africa? Or is it that they just supported apartheid?






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CarrolltonTiger
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. Do you really think Hamas is good for the Palestinian people?


You don't get the best of human nature under an occupation. Do you deny the Zionist resorted to terror for their state?

Buit no, and Zionist occupiers are not good either. If the Zionist had not co-opted the PA and lived by Oslo, perhaps Hamas would not have power. Quissling and Vichy governmetns do not last.

You continue to justify crimes for the greed of Zionists and then blame the victims.






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trackfan
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You limit your judgment on actions to the conclusion you have already come to

I don't know what this means.
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Do you know the reasons the United States didn't have a full trade emabrgo with South Africa? Or is it that they just supported apartheid?

Communism may have been part of the geopolitical equation, just as I'm sure that there were rationalizations for turning a blind eye to many other atrocities and barbaric figures (eg. Saddam's gassing of the Kurds, Hafez Assad, Noriega, the Shah of Iran, etc.) but people never compromise their true moral principles, they only find out what they are.






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Poodlebrain
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You don't get the best of human nature under an occupation. Do you deny the Zionist resorted to terror for their state? Buit no, and Zionist occupiers are not good either. If the Zionist had not co-opted the PA and lived by Oslo, perhaps Hamas would not have power. Quissling and Vichy governmetns do not last. You continue to justify crimes for the greed of Zionists and then blame the victims.
Using this logic and the systematic oppression of blacks in Louisiana, I expect you to be very forgiving of black criminals in New Orleans. The greedy whites' crimes against blacks have denied them economic and social opportunities, and continue to do so. I don't want to see another one of your posts about crimes committed by blacks in New Orleans after you put forward this argument.






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trackfan
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Quissling and Vichy governmetns do not last.

This is an important point that explains why Abbas is so weak. Support for puppets has caused a lot of America's problems, but in the long run, we and Israel are better off dealing with governments that have credibility with its own people, even if they are democratically elected Islamists. Making peace means making peace with the people who hate you, not the people who like you. When you negotiate peace with the people who already like you, you're negotiating a false peace.






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trackfan
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Using this logic and the systematic oppression of blacks in Louisiana, I expect you to be very forgiving of black criminals in New Orleans. The greedy whites' crimes against blacks have denied them economic and social opportunities, and continue to do so. I don't want to see another one of your posts about crimes committed by blacks in New Orleans after you put forward this argument.

Comparing Hamas to Black criminals in the U.S. in 2012 is nonsensical. Jim Crow has been dead for over four decades now. However, if you want to compare Hamas to the Deacons for Defense or the Black Panthers (the original ones, not these wannabe knucklehead, pretender New Black Panthers), I'll listen.






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SammyTiger
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You don't get the best of human nature under an occupation. Do you deny the Zionist resorted to terror for their state?

Buit no, and Zionist occupiers are not good either. If the Zionist had not co-opted the PA and lived by Oslo, perhaps Hamas would not have power. Quissling and Vichy governmetns do not last.

You continue to justify crimes for the greed of Zionists and then blame the victims.


Having Rockets shot at your kid doesn't make you feel compassionate either. The average Israeli wants peace as much as the average Palestinians, but Hamas and Likud seem to perpetuate one another.






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CarrolltonTiger
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The average Israeli wants peace as much as the average Palestinians, but Hamas and Likud seem to perpetuate one another.


Perhaps but living under an occupation is a lot worse than being the master race, nice flats and secure schools is a lot better than camps and arbitrary arrest, socialistic prosperity is better than destitution and poverty..

But in your mind the Israelis are the victims of the occupation.






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SammyTiger
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Do you think 9/11 was justified? with all the meddling the US has done in the middle east, even funding the illegal sinister occupation you rant against? Why not justify that attack too?





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Ace Midnight
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Perhaps but living under an occupation is a lot worse than being the master race, nice flats and secure schools is a lot better than camps and arbitrary arrest, socialistic prosperity is better than destitution and poverty..


Imagine what could have happened if the wealthy Arab states and non-militant Palestinians had worked together to make their portion of the desert bloom, rather than curse the "darkness" for 70 years... just imagine what Gaza and the West Bank would look like now.






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CarrolltonTiger
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Imagine what could have happened if the wealthy Arab states and non-militant Palestinians had worked together to make their portion of the desert bloom, rather than curse the "darkness" for 70 years... just imagine what Gaza and the West Bank would look like now.



Imagine if the Zionist had not displaced millions of Arabs and blown up their neighbors for the past several decades. Imagine what Lebanon could still be if not for Israeli disruptions of civil society in the defense of their security.

Always an excuse for the Zionist enablers.







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SammyTiger
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Imagine what Lebanon could still be if not for Hezbollah using their nation as a launching point.


FIFY



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Ace Midnight
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Always an excuse for the Zionist enablers.



Just as there is always an excuse for Islamist violence.






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