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NC_Tigah 
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 8:31 am to sugar71)
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Because every country that ended slavery before or after the US did, did so without resorting to killing 600,000 of its own, is pretty much all the proof you need that war was NOT the answer to the slavery question.
This fact just shows the unreasonable paranoia of Southerners.
What "fact" are you referencing, bozo.
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TheOcean 
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 8:43 am to mograyback)
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installing what has now become a very large federal government.
Did the confederates have a time machine? Would make your argument stronger.
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VOR 
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 8:58 am to TheOcean)
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Did the confederates have a time machine? Would make your argument stronger.
I'm pretty sure there are a few posters on this site would love to have a time machine . . . if you catch my drift. 
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RollTide1987 
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 8:59 am to League Champs)
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Please list all other countries that required a civil war to end slavery...
I'll hang up and listen
Please list the names of the countries where slavery was a $7 billion industry (hundreds of billions in today's money) and where slavery was such a significant aspect of a single region's economy. I think you will find that slavery was more important to the South than any other country or region that had slavery in the 18th and 19th centuries.
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TheOcean
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 9:02 am to RollTide1987)
Wait, the south's economy was solely built on slavery?
Sounds like some revisionist talk
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League Champs 
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 9:57 am to RollTide1987)
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Please list the names of the countries where slavery was a $7 billion industry (hundreds of billions in today's money) and where slavery was such a significant aspect of a single region's economy. I think you will find that slavery was more important to the South than any other country or region that had slavery in the 18th and 19th centuries.
The British empire, who if memory serves started the whole concept of slavery in this country
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Two years later, the Royal African Company was inaugurated, receiving from King Charles a monopoly of the trade to supply slaves to the British colonies of the Caribbean. From the outset, slavery was the basis of the British Empire in the West Indies.
The Slavery Abolition Act passed in 1833 abolished slavery in the British Empire on 1 August 1834 Under the Act, slaves were granted full emancipation after a period of 4 to 6 years of "apprenticeship".
so just 26 years prior to Licoln's election the entire British empire peacefully solved its monopoly on slavery, yet Lincoln could only solve it by force? Right? Thats what you expect me to believe?
PS: please remember the means of communication were much slower in the 1800's, so 26 years back then would be actually a shorter time span in today's events
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RollTide1987
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 10:10 am to League Champs)
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The British empire, who if memory serves started the whole concept of slavery in this country
Might want to underline a little bit more than you did.
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From the outset, slavery was the basis of the British Empire in the West Indies.
While the West Indies was an important part of the British Empire, the reach of the British covered about a 1/4 of the globe at that time. Slavery was not that important to the Empire especially considering that the Industrial Revolution was well up and running by that time throughout the colonies of Great Britain. They didn't need the slave labor anymore and so the citizens of Great Britain and her colonies were able to adapt much better than the South could have with blanket abolition.
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RollTide1987
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 10:12 am to RollTide1987)
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so just 26 years prior to Licoln's election the entire British empire peacefully solved its monopoly on slavery, yet Lincoln could only solve it by force? Right? Thats what you expect me to believe?
Lincoln did not intend to solve the question of slavery by force. The whole point of the Civil War, at least in Lincoln's eyes, was to preserve the Union. The South seceded to preserve the institution of slavery. The Civil War was the effect of that secession while slavery was the cause.
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League Champs
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 10:42 am to RollTide1987)
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Lincoln did not intend to solve the question of slavery by force. The whole point of the Civil War, at least in Lincoln's eyes, was to preserve the Union. The South seceded to preserve the institution of slavery. The Civil War was the effect of that secession while slavery was the cause.
Just so I can understand your point, its OK for a leader to murder its citizens just to secure those little thin geopolitical lines on a map?
Wow.
You must love Hitler.
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RollTide1987
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 12:22 pm to League Champs)
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Just so I can understand your point, its OK for a leader to murder its citizens just to secure those little thin geopolitical lines on a map?
Is it okay for a group of states to secede just to keep a race of men in chains?
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asurob1 
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 1:45 pm to League Champs)
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Just so I can understand your point, its OK for a leader to murder its citizens just to secure those little thin geopolitical lines on a map?
Wow.
You must love Hitler.
I have a hard time believe you went through the same educational system I did. The revisionist history lesson being given in this thread in an attempt to make the south look like the "good guys" is amazing. Are you breaking your spine with all the twisting you are doing?
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RollTide1987
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 2:16 pm to asurob1)
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I have a hard time believe you went through the same educational system I did. The revisionist history lesson being given in this thread in an attempt to make the south look like the "good guys" is amazing. Are you breaking your spine with all the twisting you are doing?
It's really disturbing. I got the same education when I went through middle school and high school. The teachers told us that state's rights was the issue with one of them going so far as to say that slavery was nothing more than a red herring. But if you look at the events from 1845-1860, the obvious conclusion one draws is that slavery was the core issue.
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RollTide4Ever
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 2:43 pm to doubleb)
Slavery was on the way out, the hire out system was gaining momentum. As a matter of fact, manumission was occurring well before then until nat turner.
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Roaad
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 2:45 pm to GumboPot)
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If Lincoln truly fought the Civil War to end slavery could somebody please post a link to documention of Lincoln's abolitionist stance prior to April 12, 1861?
Lincoln fought the Civil War to preserve the Union against secession.
The CSA seceded over slavery.
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RollTide1987
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 3:32 pm to Roaad)
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Lincoln fought the Civil War to preserve the Union against secession.
The CSA seceded over slavery.
This.
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tigernchicago
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 4:32 pm to GumboPot)
Lincoln hated blacks.
Lincoln destroyed states rights to "save" the union.
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Roaad
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 7:12 pm to tigernchicago)
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Lincoln hated blacks.
Bull shite.
He thought whites were superior to blacks. He did not hate blacks.
He was a separatist abolitionist.
Want to read someone that absolutely hated Southern Blacks? Frederick Douglass.
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VOR
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 8:11 pm to tigernchicago)
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Lincoln hated blacks.
Absolute fiction.
I'll await proof that he "hated" blacks.
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redandright
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 8:30 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
Did you know that free people of color owned slaves in La.?
That at one time in La., the largest owner of slaves in La. was a Free Woman of Color?
Can her descendants sue themselves for reaparations? 
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VOR
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| re: Serious question about Lincoln and the Civil War, no flame. (Posted on 11/23/12 at 8:48 pm to redandright)
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Did you know that free people of color owned slaves in La.?
And your point is . . . ?
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