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Geauxrilla Ballz
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To be clear, I am not denying that there are militant actions taking place around schools, civilian centers - my point is that the notion that Palestinians don't care for their children is BS.

Because it is.

The comments about pulling children out of the rubble and holding them up like trophies? They get criticized for this?

Imagine if your family members are killed day after day, week after week, year after year - with absolutely zero justice. Social media such as Twitter and Facebook is a way that the Palestinians can link to the world the realities of what is happening in the Occupied Territories. Isreal makes it a habit to take out communication centers, target media, and use deadly force on those who can share with the world what is happening on the ground.

I'm not really worried about credibility on this forum. Once again, I am not a supporter of militant resistance, but you must expect it. We would do the same thing.



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NC_Tigah
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my point is that the notion that they don't care for their children is BS.
Certainly.
They likely do.

Even more likely though is that their children do not attend the schools where they are setting up their rocket launchers. Any claim that Arab militants do not use civilian sites as shields is silly.

Because they do.


Certainly does not make the family or friends of individuals killed or maimed collaterally any less grief stricken. But as long as Arabs passively allow their militant brethren to carry out attacks from behind the skirts of civilian shields, they'll suffer the consequences, as sadly they should.






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RollTide1987
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I wish I could sympathize, I really do. But after today's bus bombing in Tel Aviv the Palestinians have simply lowered themselves to the level you claim Israel is at right now. If women and children get in the Israeli's way....I'm sorry but they made their bed. They're just collateral damage.





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Geauxrilla Ballz
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BOTH sides are indiscriminationly killing civilians. One side has a governement and representation (supported by OUR country, right or wrong).

Criticism of Israel is not anti-Jew or pro-Palestinian militants.

This conflict is not simply defense against militants firing rockets into Israel. They aren't doing that because they hate Jews, freedom, or America.

Neither side is right. The Palestinians DO have a case, here. They live under military occupation and have been stripped of basic human rights. Any human would die fighting for their rights if put in this situation that Israel inflicts on them.

Some, like my father and other family members, have moved out of their homeland to make a better life. Overwhelmingly, those are the Christians. Many stay and live as sub-humans. What's happening in Israel is WRONG. It's aparthied, and we support it with our ignorance.



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NC_Tigah
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The Palestinians DO have a case, here.
They are making it poorly.






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Geauxrilla Ballz
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They are making it poorly.


Of course they are making it poorly - they are reduced to gangs as representation. Their leaders, throughout time, are systematically assasinated by the State of Israel. There will be no diplomacy, because it will not be tolerated.

I know, the people elected Hamas. An example of just how desperate things have become.






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Ace Midnight
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To be clear, I am not denying that there are militant actions taking place around schools, civilian centers - my point is that the notion that Palestinians don't care for their children is BS.


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Because it is.


No - of course the family doesn't want their children killed. I won't even say Hamas "wants" this. However, Hamas is happy when it happens because it makes their media campaign more and more effective.

Many of the anti-Israel crowd suggest that Israel wants this to happen to "drive out" the Palestinians. Wouldn't you be happy if the people who were dropping rockets and mortars on your people left because of your response? That is a normal human response and it doesn't mean the Israelis plan or "want" children to die.

If militants were not launching strikes into Israel, Israel would not be compelled to respond.






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BOTH sides are indiscriminationly killing civilians.



Such is war. But that is the only way for Israel to bring a quick conclusion to the war. Throw up the black flag, no quarter to the violators of homes and firesides.







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Geauxrilla Ballz
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No - of course the family doesn't want their children killed. I won't even say Hamas "wants" this. However, Hamas is happy when it happens because it makes their media campaign more and more effective.


Of course Palestinians aren't happy when this happens, but you bet your arse they are going to want the world to see. You would too. Think about it.

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Many of the anti-Israel crowd suggest that Israel wants this to happen to "drive out" the Palestinians. Wouldn't you be happy if the people who were dropping rockets and mortars on your people left because of your response? That is a normal human response and it doesn't mean the Israelis plan or "want" children to die. If militants were not launching strikes into Israel, Israel would not be compelled to respond.


Israel blatanly violates human rights, and this is nothing new. It has become a joke that the only country to veto sanctions on Israel is US. We are very much involved in this conflict, and that pisses me off.






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Ace Midnight
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Israel blatanly violates human rights, and this is nothing new. It has become a joke that the only country to veto sanctions on Israel is US. We are very much involved in this conflict, and that pisses me off.


I guess at some point they will be driven into the sea and you, CT and others can be happy about things again.

The whole situation is used by the Arab/Muslim world as a rallying cry - they've maintained this conflict, fostered it, encouraged it, funded it to that end. They have some of the worst tyrants and worst human rights abusers in their midst, but Israel - a western-style democracy (yes, with warts and imperfections - I'm not denying they could have handled many, many things better over the past 65 years) is the justification they use to stay in power and maintain their own seats of power.

This reminds me of white liberals pitting southern blacks and southern whites against each other during reconstruction and afterwards. Southerners have much more in common than either group has with Yankees. This is also true of Israelis and Palestinians - they have much more in common, culturally, historically, than the Palestinians have to do with the Iranians, or even the Egyptians - but outsiders use the twin sticks of "race" and "religion" to keep the pot stirred to their own ends.

Maybe we're guilty of a certain amount of this, and perhaps the pro-Israel lobby in the US shoulders part of the blame. But, I can at least see good intentions from our side. I'm not seeing nearly as much from the other.



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Geauxrilla Ballz
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...but Israel - a western-style democracy (yes, with warts and imperfections - I'm not denying they could have handled many, many things better over the past 65 years) is the justification they use to stay in power and maintain their own seats of power.


Are you kidding me?

Israel is an aparthied, and absolutely zero semblence to a democracy. Have you seen the way they treat Arabs? My family lives with very limited rights, rationed water, constant racism, and our country considers this a "democracy?" Why, because they have "elections?" Because they let token Arabs into the government, and then imprison them when they try to visit their family across a border?

Israel is not a democracy. Do you have any idea why Israel refuses the "right of return" to hundreds of thousands (now millions) of Palestinian refugees?

It would destroy the Jewish majority! Why do you think Bibi has been working overtime on building new settlements and shuttling in Zionists from Europe, Russia, and the United States? Why do you think they force Arabs out of the country with violence, substandard living conditions, and occupation?

You guys have a LOT to learn about the reality of the situation in Israel. Turn off Fox news.






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Ace Midnight
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Are you kidding me?


I assure you, I am not.

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Have you seen the way they treat Arabs?


Have you seen the way the Saudi government treats Arabs? Or Syria? Or Yemen? Or the way Persians are treated in Iran?

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My family lives with very limited rights, rationed water, constant racism, and our country considers this a "democracy?"


The Palestinian civilian population has been victimized, no question. But that has come at the hands of the greater Arab states, and their own misguided leadership - at least as, if not more than, the Israelis.

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Israel is not a democracy.


I don't think that's strictly supportable.

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Do you have any idea why Israel refuses the "right of return" to hundreds of thousands (now millions) of Palestinian refugees?


If they weren't a democracy, why would a "Jewish majority" matter? You're contradicting yourself here.

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It would destroy the Jewish majority!


So you fault them for not committing cultural suicide?

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Why do you think Bibi has been working overtime on building new settlements and shuttling in Zionists from Europe, Russia, and the United States? Why do you think they force Arabs out of the country with violence, substandard living conditions, and occupation?


I have been against the entire policy of settlement since 1967. I thought those settlements would be a wedge against further possible cooperation. However, the violence continues, the conditions don't improve for Palestinians and Israel remains a very easy, accessible and "attackable" cause for all of this - one that is very conviently non-Arab and non-Muslim.

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You guys have a LOT to learn about the reality of the situation in Israel. Turn off Fox news.


I could probably bounce that back to you - with a similiar admonition about Al-Jazeera.






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Crimson1st
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You guys have a LOT to learn about the reality of the situation in Israel. Turn off Fox news.


Ok, we can turn off our Fox News if you libs can turn off Al-Jazeera, MSNBC, and the other sycophant Palestinian apologist networks.

Reading what I have in this thread, I am damn sure glad we had the balls to take care of business against Japan back in the day to strike them hard with the atom bombs and not let this prevalent liberal attitude worrying over collateral damage dictate the course of history. In warfare like this, you strike fast, you strike hard, and you cripple the opposition. THAT is the long term BEST solution. Maximize initial damage to end long term damage.






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Golda Meir once said something along the order of " in time we will be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons"

I think this could be said again today






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Geauxrilla Ballz
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Fellas, my apologies for the "you have a lot to learn" comment.

That was pretty arrogant, and that's not how I want to come across.






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CarrolltonTiger
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but it will be harder to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons"


How tragic.

Again the Zionist is the victim, they aren't slaughtering thousands of civilians for Zionism and chosen people it is because the evil Palestinians don't want to cooperate with the plan. If they would just leave there would have to be no ethnic cleansing, the Palestinians have made their choice and the Zionist is helpless in resisting evil.






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Ace Midnight
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Fellas, my apologies for the "you have a lot to learn" comment.

That was pretty arrogant, and that's not how I want to come across.


I appreciate the calm, reasoned step back. I respect your arguing for your family. I feel for the Palestinian people - truly victims in all of this. They also share a plight with the Christians of the region, particularly in Lebanon. Caught between all sides, used and abused to no good end.

This is what happens when people stop dealing with each other as people, and start thinking of each other as "groups" to be despised, hated, killed, etc. This happens when religion is only a warm-up to the real ethnic hatred (Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda), or when it is the main show.

In any event, the situation remains unsolved because it is very complex and far more people benefit from it (mainly the leaders of Muslim nations in the region, but also Hamas, Likud, others who define themselves and their raison d'etre totally in terms of the conflict) than ordinary Palestinians and Israelis suffer from it - the least powerful and least responsible of all.

Doesn't it always work out like that, though?



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This footage is not meant as propoganda


Disagree, so your entire argument holds no merit, IMO.

War is a horrible, horrible thing. I think it is important for people to be reminded of how terrible it is.

However, to come to the conclusion that one side is totally at fault (Israel) while the other is totally innocent is a dishonest and ridiculous point of view.

You clearly have an agenda. It is obvious as many have pointed out. You are not fooling anyone.






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Geauxrilla Ballz
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However, to come to the conclusion that one side is totally at fault (Israel) while the other is totally innocent is a dishonest and ridiculous point of view. You clearly have an agenda. It is obvious as many have pointed out. You are not fooling anyone.


Ummm, this is news to me. I have never stated that Israel is totally at fault. I have been pretty clear that I am very much against military/militant force on civilians (I hope). I don't expect you to have read every post I have put out there, but I think you are definately making an assumption.

I think I got labeled a "liberal" earlier, when I am in fact quite conservative. I'm a registered GOP, but probably much more Libertarian.

I do have an agenda, though I am not trying to fool anyone.



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they have much more in common, culturally, historically, than the Palestinians have to do with the Iranians, or even the Egyptians - but outsiders use the twin sticks of "race" and "religion" to keep the pot stirred to their own ends.

This is one of the reasons, among many, that the United States needs to distance itself from political issues and wars in the Middle East and stop trying to be the "carpetbaggers" of the world. We don't have a solution for any foreign country's problems and I'm not even sure we have answers for our own.

This is an Israeli civil war. Israel is NOT a democracy and it's none of our business anymore than they have any business in our domestic and foreign policies/issues.

I only hope all sides can find a long lasting and peaceful resolution.



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