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RogerTheShrubber
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Many on the left will argue that the republicans typically get the vote of Billy Bob Redneck and "own" that vote


They can't argue that any longer.

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In fact, if you look at voting behavior, low-income whites in the South are not very different from low-income whites in the rest of the country. You can see this both in Larry Bartels’s “What’s the matter with What’s the Matter With Kansas?” (pdf), Figure 3, and in a comprehensive study of red state-blue state differences by Gelman et al (pdf). It’s relatively high-income Southern whites who are very, very Republican. Can I get away with saying that rich white trash are the problem? Probably not.



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RogerTheShrubber
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I don't think SR is running for office.





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ShortyRob
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They don't.
Yeah. I know. But, for argument's sake, I wanted to point out that gaining the vote of a guy in one group can be done for entirely different reasons than gaining the vote for a guy in another group.






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CarrolltonTiger
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I don't think Blacks would have married the Democratic party without the Southern Strategy


The Blacks marriage to the Great Society prompted the "Southern strategy". If you look at the historical context it is pretty clear which came first.






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ShortyRob
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The Blacks marriage to the Great Society prompted the "Southern strategy". If you look at the historical context it is pretty clear which came first
DING DING DING






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RogerTheShrubber
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They don't.
Yeah. I know. But, for argument's sake, I wanted to point out that gaining the vote of a guy in one group can be done for entirely different reasons than gaining the vote for a guy in another group.


Oh, don't get me wrong. The average Dem believes that, but it just isn't true. I agree with your statement, but their beliefs are unfounded.






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trackfan
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I really don't know what factors most drove blacks into Democratic arms.

I do know what keeps them there.

If you don't know what drove Blacks to the Democratic party, you're willfully ignorant and in no position speak about Blacks folks' motivation with any credibilty.






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trackfan
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What percentage of votes were blacks in presidential elections prior to 2008?

10 - 11%






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a want
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The Blacks marriage to the Great Society prompted the "Southern strategy". If you look at the historical context it is pretty clear which came first


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DING DING DING




I'm pretty sure Jim Crow, segregation, racism and slavery had a hand in prompting the Great Society. I don't think you're going to win the "but they did it first ..." argument in this case.






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trackfan
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The Blacks marriage to the Great Society prompted the "Southern strategy". If you look at the historical context it is pretty clear which came first.

What came first is the 1964 election in which the Democratic nominee championed civil rights and the Republican nominee opposed it.






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ShortyRob
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I'm pretty sure Jim Crow, segregation, racism and slavery had a hand in prompting the Great Society.
Interesting. Was it republicans who passed all those laws?

In any case, I already said that I suspect many factors caused the shite.

But I'd bet my fricking paycheck for a year that if I grabbed 1000 black people at random and asked them to articulate for me those factors from the 60s, I wouldn't get 50 remotely satisfactory answers.






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Powerman
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How did Republicans lose African-Americans?

Pretty simple

Look at the attitudes on this board

Every person that isn't white is stereotyped as someone with their hand out. Shit, it was the first response.






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ShortyRob
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No group in the Country has voted more reliably Democratic than Jewish voters(not even Blacks) .
WTF? Are you fricking drunk.

Your definition of "reliable" must be out of whack.






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ShortyRob
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Every person that isn't white is stereotyped as someone with their hand out. Shit, it was the first response.
As a culture, American blacks have their hand out.

This isn't even a debateable point.

As for the "every person who isn't white". Interesting. I've never seen anyone describe Chinese immigrants as primarily having their hands out.






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trackfan
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He would be attacked as an Anti-Semite if he suggested that about Jews.

Jewish vote went 90% for the 2 Presidents most identified with modern day Social programs(LBJ & FDR) Black vote wasn't even that high for those 2 Presidents


No group in the Country has voted more reliably Democratic than Jewish voters(not even Blacks) .

Some Jewish vote was peeled off because Israel became a political football & worked on some Jewish voters , but they still vote around 80% Democrat.


Would Fox News or posters here agree that Jews are 'leeches' , 'greedy' or 'socialist' ?

This election has caused rank racists like ShortyRob to lose all their inhibitions about revealing their true feelings which I think is good. Societies are better off when everyone knows where everyone else stands.






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Powerman
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As for the "every person who isn't white". Interesting. I've never seen anyone describe Chinese immigrants as primarily having their hands out.


I'll bump the thread in a few minutes that does exactly this






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RogerTheShrubber
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Would Fox News or posters here agree that Jews are 'leeches' , 'greedy' or 'socialist' ?




Not nearly as many people watch FOX as you seem to think.

There are leeches of every race, being a leech isn't the problem. The perception of pandering is a problem and Republicans are losing the PR war on this one.

It's 100% acceptable these days to pander for he vote, and special interest is ok. R's need to get with the program. Being race and gender neutral in your policy isn't acceptable anymore.



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sugar71
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What came first is the 1964 election in which the Democratic nominee championed civil rights and the Republican nominee opposed it.


In July the Civil Rights Act (not the Great Society)was proffered/passed by Northern Democratic Congress (Emanual Celler) & the Black vote went 85% Democrat. Jews voted 90% LBJ.

Bigoted Southern Whites started jumping ship like the rats they were & voted Republican(whom they hated) in 1964 for the 1st time ever

We still can't seem to get this Jewish vote issue out of the way & why Fox or Right Wingers refuse to speak of the Jewish inclination for not turning down 'free stuff' ?










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CarrolltonTiger
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What came first is the 1964 election in which the Democratic nominee championed civil rights and the Republican nominee opposed it.


Your bull shite aside, that fact contradicts your previous position.

How were the Republicans to out bribe LBJ? The Democrats had permanent control of congress at the time. LBJ got to choose he had the power and he chose the Blacks.








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ShortyRob
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This election has caused rank racists like ShortyRob
Yuo can call me a racist all you want but that's because you misuse the term.






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