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RogerTheShrubber
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You actually said you didn't feel sorry for them when they couldn't get jobs. When people can't get jobs they tend to go for assistance of some sort. IMO, once someone has paid their debt to society for their transgressions, they need to be allowed to move on in life.




I'm with you here. Holding shite over peoples heads keeps the underclass what it is. The WoDs is probably a huge part of the breakdown in the black family in this country.

Some time you have to get your head our of your arse and drag yourself into reality. Create more laws, more government and more problems if you want, but I am not for it..







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RogerTheShrubber
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We don't differ on this. We differ on tax money for addicts.



Oh yes we do. You clearly want more government involvement here, including in peoples lives. If you really want to fix the problem, end welfare.






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Eon Blue
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Well I didn't do it but they said I did! Lol
Roger as I said earlier I respect your position but I just disagree. This country has tried what your advocating. We have become more tolerable and forgiving over the past 60 years and what has it created? That's precisely what we need. a zero tolerance policy. Some consequences with teeth.






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BamaDude06
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If true and the state only paid the $30 per drug test quoted above, that is not much markup over retail rate. I would have expected much worse from a government contract, even without the family connection.


Let me elaborate more. He owned the company and when this took effect he transfered ownership in it to a trust in his wife's name to try and hide his ownership. No government official should be allowed to directly profit like that (no matter how small the amount) from legislation they sign. That is too much of an ethical grey area, IMO.






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Bayou Tiger
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Again, I will say it, the most disturbing aspect of the conservative movement is this sliding line of when a person's rights are violated and their half-hearted attempt to bring in the Constitution.
You're right. This gets dicey.

The real confusing part for me is why people getting all of this assistance from the government have any right to it at all, and whether taxes for anything beyond a limited central government are violating the rights of those whom these taxes are levied upon.

That being said, we don't live in a Libertarian utopia and have to figure out how to make sense of the bureaucratic nanny state which our country has evolved into. It's not going away, but which battles to pick is always interesting.






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Eon Blue
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How is it unconstitutional? Please tell me





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Wild Thang
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If you really want to fix the problem, end welfare.


I'm behind this. Didn't realize this was an option.

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You clearly want more government involvement here,


I want the least possible. I'm going off the fact that involvement is there.






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RogerTheShrubber
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Roger as I said earlier I respect your position but I just disagree. This country has tried what your advocating. We have become more tolerable and forgiving over the past 60 years and what has it created? That's precisely what we need. a zero tolerance policy. Some consequences with teeth.



I actually disagree strongly here. We have cracked down on drugs more than ever before, developed zero tolerance policies, three strikes and your out..etc..and the part of society it affects has just gotten worse, and we spend more money than ever.

It's a negative cycle you are wanting to contribute even more into.

I used to believe like you, but the world has changed dramatically in the past 30 years.






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Eon Blue
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Ending welfare is the answer but that will never happen.





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RogerTheShrubber
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Ending welfare is the answer but that will never happen.



True, but adding levels of govt and making the cycle even more negative will just make that portion of society even more worthless while costing you money.

I think people like the idea, but it isn't practical



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BamaDude06
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We have become more tolerable and forgiving over the past 60 years and what has it created?


No we have not. In an effort to try and appear tough on crime politicians have put mandatory sentencing laws, longer sentencing, etc. This has resulted in an EXPLOSION in the prison population in the US since the 1970s, even though crime rate are way down from then.






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RogerTheShrubber
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No we have not. In an effort to try and appear tough on crime politicians have put mandatory sentencing laws, longer sentencing, etc. This has resulted in an EXPLOSION in the prison population in the US since the 1970s, even though crime rate are way down from then.


Echoed what I posted above.

We have created levels of govt costing billions of dollars and made society worse in the process, which is what levels of govt usually do.







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Wild Thang
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We have cracked down on drugs more than ever before, developed zero tolerance policies, three strikes and your out..etc..and the part of society it affects has just gotten worse, and we spend more money than ever.


I agree 100%. frick it, let people do what they want. But, if you can't pass a drug test (excluding weed) you don't get hired or get welfare. Is that not reasonable?






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RogerTheShrubber
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I agree 100%. frick it, let people do what they want. But, if you can't pass a drug test (excluding weed) you don't get hired or get welfare. Is that not reasonable?



Why let Weed go if it's illegal?

I don't think it's reasonable but again, I think it's a waste do create more government, and pass more laws to make it more of a burden on people.

All you will do is put a few people in a more desperate position, and not saving a dime in the process.






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souldog
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One question to the conservatives - why stop at the welfare recipients?

Why not test anybody who takes government money, like say, Halliburton, for example?

Shouldn't we then test the people who accept billions of $$$ who receive this money from the Fed to see if they are illegally using drugs?






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Bucktown Tigah
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One question to the conservatives - why stop at the welfare recipients? Why not test anybody who takes government money, like say, Halliburton, for example? Shouldn't we then test the people who accept billions of $$$ who receive this money from the Fed to see if they are illegally using drugs?


I'm a libertarian/conservative and I think you've raised a great question. Would like to see how the social cons respond.






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BTHog
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Yes bc contracted employees = welfare recipetants





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Bayou Tiger
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One question to the conservatives - why stop at the welfare recipients?

Why not test anybody who takes government money, like say, Halliburton, for example?

Shouldn't we then test the people who accept billions of $$$ who receive this money from the Fed to see if they are illegally using drugs?
Seriously? Here is an answer for a liberal.

You are comparing...

Providers of goods and services who have bid contracts and have to abide numerous governmental provisions (and likely have their own internal testing programs)

VERSUS

People who get money from the government and provide absolutely nothing in return (should be grateful recipients of these pennies from heaven)






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Eon Blue
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There are more programs than I can count that afford criminals second chance than there ever were 60 years ago. You have boot camps, 894s, countless probation options with testing classes etc, drug court etc. all are attempts at keeping people out of jail and giving them chances to correct their shortcomings. Do y'all realize how few criminals serve jail time for first offense drug crimes? Even felonies. I dont have the numbers but it amazed me when i first saw it. If you don't have any experience with it you would be astonished at how lenient our judicial system is.





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RogerTheShrubber
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I understand where you are coming from but it's my belief more government intervention into the system will make it worse, not better.





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