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Eon Blue
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re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits


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So someone that gets busted for felony posession of say 1oz when they were 19 should have to pay for it even when they are 50 and haven smoked in 31 years? BTW...beating your dogs arse is a felony in most states.

Yes they should be prohibited from welfare. Why is that so hard to comprehend? It's called responsibility. This country has none. And they are breeding irresponsibility. Do you not have enough self control to not do illicit drugs?
And kicking my dogs arse is a felony??? Lol. You prove my point perfectly. So not only can you not whip your children for misbehaving but now the pets are out of question as well!



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Wild Thang
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So someone that gets busted for felony posession of say 1oz when they were 19 should have to pay for it even when they are 50 and haven smoked in 31 years?


Actions have consequences. Should the 18 year old who killed someone in a drunken bar fight not have that on his record?






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souldog
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Isn't it amazing how competent and necessary the government becomes to conservatives when it is for a cause that they support?

If you think that a large state can be efficient and do something like drug testing welfare/unemployment persons without enormous problems or big $$$, let alone the constitutional challenges that it would face, then you are sorely naive and just plain childish.






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BamaDude06
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Yes they should be prohibited from welfare. Why is that so hard to comprehend? It's called responsibility. This country has none. And they are breeding irresponsibility. Do you not have enough self control to not do illicit drugs?



I'm guessing you've never done ANYTHING illegal in your life right?

People screw up. It shouldn't always be held over their head forever.






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BamaDude06
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Actions have consequences. Should the 18 year old who killed someone in a drunken bar fight not have that on his record?


That is completely different from someone being busted for an ounce of pot and you know it.






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Wild Thang
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Isn't it amazing how competent and necessary the government becomes to conservatives when it is for a cause that they support?


If instituted, and even 1% of welfare drug users are deleted, it's a win.

I'm fine with my tax money being used for that.






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Bayou Tiger
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re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits


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Ask Florida. Their program (which used 30 dollar tests) cost the state 45k AFTER discontinuing benefits to the 2.6% of recipients who tested positive.
Well if that is truly the case, I hope Texas will take a close look at this example to figure out how their program will cost less than the Florida program or save more money in benefits.

Did the net cost savings for the Florida program include the initial year only? There are start-up costs that would only be incurred the first year. Also, the benefits savings from positive tests would spill into the following year and not be fully accounted for on a Year 1 net basis. So if the net loss was only 45k in the first accounting year, that bodes well for the viability in Year 2.

That being said, even if they can run the Florida program with one less state employee (the 45k you mention) it at least breaks even.

To me it seems to be worth investigating further based on these preliminary thoughts.



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Eon Blue
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I didn't say that but so far I've refrained from committing felonies. And if I did I would fully expect and accept that I would be ineligible for government assistance.
It's not held over there head. I didn't say lock them up forever. They just shouldn't be able to suck the teat.






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Bayou Tiger
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In Florida, the testing was done by a company owned by the family of Republican Governor Rick Scott.
If true and the state only paid the $30 per drug test quoted above, that is not much markup over retail rate. I would have expected much worse from a government contract, even without the family connection.






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RogerTheShrubber
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I actually disagree with you on this Roger. If drug addicts are receiving welfare type shit, why should I pay for it?


I really don't care what they do with it. They are being paid not to work regardless of whether they are getting high or not.

Creating more govt isn't going to help the problem.

Most people who use know how to get around testing anyway. I bet you get less than 5%, at the most.






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Wild Thang
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That is completely different from someone being busted for an ounce of pot and you know it.


I have no issue with weed. I've said as much. I have an issue with you saying actions don't have consequences. If you are an adult, you have to deal with your actions.

You don't seem to believe that. I think that makes you a child.






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Eon Blue
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Yeah a lack of real life experiences is more like it.





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RogerTheShrubber
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Yes they should be prohibited from welfare. Why is that so hard to comprehend? It's called responsibility. This country has none. And they are breeding irresponsibility. Do you not have enough self control to not do illicit drugs?


Yeah, well we create more criminals with zero tolerance policy than we prevent. Sometimes you have to drop the hardass act and look at things realistically, how they work in the real world.

Have you ever done anything illegal? Should you be barred from any government service?






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Wild Thang
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Most people who use know how to get around testing anyway.


I know this well. Usually these are people who end up being producers once they grow up.

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bet you get less than 5%,


Still worth it in my book.






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RogerTheShrubber
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Most people who use know how to get around testing anyway.


I know this well. Usually these are people who end up being producers once they grow up.

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bet you get less than 5%,


Still worth it in my book.


It's where you and I differ. I am a small govt, freedom lovin guy.






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BamaDude06
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I didn't say that but so far I've refrained from committing felonies. And if I did I would fully expect and accept that I would be ineligible for government assistance.
It's not held over there head. I didn't say lock them up forever. They just shouldn't be able to suck the teat.


You actually said you didn't feel sorry for them when they couldn't get jobs. When people can't get jobs they tend to go for assistance of some sort. IMO, once someone has paid their debt to society for their transgressions, they need to be allowed to move on in life.






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Wild Thang
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Yeah, well we create more criminals with zero tolerance policy than we prevent. Sometimes you have to drop the hardass act and look at things realistically, how they work in the real world.

Have you ever done anything illegal? Should you be barred from any government service?


Not while collecting tax payer money dude. I don't understand your stance here. Surprising.






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souldog
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...and just how much will the legal fees be when these cases come to court to prove that it is constitutional, which it isn't.

Again, I will say it, the most disturbing aspect of the conservative movement is this sliding line of when a person's rights are violated and their half-hearted attempt to bring in the Constitution.

Note how the discussion goes. It starts off with smaller government, throw in the Constitution, and usually ends up with a weak argument on how the policies that they want enacted are the ones that matter, regardless of the cost. Exhibit A would be the damn Iraq War and the WMD because it was something that they were behind.

What has been the cost of that government program?






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Bayou Tiger
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The fact is the people shouldn't be doing drugs on taxpayer dimes. If they are they should be forever prohibited from government funds.
That seems steep to me. There are more serious and deliberate crimes with punishments that don't last forever.






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Wild Thang
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I am a small govt, freedom lovin guy.


We don't differ on this. We differ on tax money for addicts.






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