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re: It's almost as if some of you don't watch the games
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:16 pm to TheBob
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:16 pm to TheBob
quote:you just named the vast majority of pass routes. you left out fly and post. so, we've tried just about everything there is to try.
When we do throw the ball, it's quicks, bubbles, hitches, and slants
the problem is poor protection, qb who doesn't have a good feel for the game and wr who aren't that good. they don't get separation and can't catch. what is the coaching staff supposed to do with that? sprinkle pixie dust on it?
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Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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The line just can't hold that long and the receivers can't get separation.
The hell? There were receivers running open all over the place yesterday and time to throw it. Mett missed almost all of them. A competent qb hits 3-4 td passes that were missed.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:19 pm to scottynola
yesterday was ALL on mett. if he hits obj and jacobs (2 for 6 on deep balls) the game would have been a runaway. a&m would have pulled out of the box and we would have run all day. mett was awful and no playcalling could have helped him. wr were open, ol blocked fine. mett screwed up royally.
if JL were the qb this year we would be undefeated and we beat a&m by 20.
if JL were the qb this year we would be undefeated and we beat a&m by 20.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:21 pm to lake chuck fan
quote:this is not a good analogy. this was lsu's first time to see sumlin/kingsbury/manziel. it didn't even take halftime adjustments for the tigers to shut it down.
Look what A&M did to us the first half
i get what you're saying. they were using a good scheme that had success and with better talent, might have won the game. the problem is lsu isn't executing the plays that are called.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:22 pm to bfniii
quote:
the problem is poor protection, qb who doesn't have a good feel for the game and wr who aren't that good. they don't get separation and can't catch. what is the coaching staff supposed to do with that? sprinkle pixie dust on it?
Or it could be terrible coaching and scheme dumbass. Quit putting it on the players. La Tech passed for almost 500 yards with far less talent.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:26 pm to Larry Hollins
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yesterday was ALL on mett.
Well, maybe not quite all of it. But if he makes those throws, the running game becomes a sledge hammer the rest of the way. He just cannot play QB very well. Like a very, very slow Jefferson.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:28 pm to The312
quote:the problem with this reasoning is that people expect great success on every play which isn't going to happen and coordinators know this. they run plays to set up the defense. get them flowing a certain way and then go a different direction.
Talent alone didn't dicate that we run into nine man fronts on several key third downs. Talent alone didn't dictate that we call another ineffectual roll-out in the red zone. Talent alone didn't dictate that we continuously run a toss play that wasn't working, or that our route design be remedial, or that we run a WR screen in the RZ after it had failed earlier. Talent alone doesn't require our playcalling to be predictable and plodding.
as for success, stud called inside runs, outside runs, toss, wildcat. the players just have to execute.
quote:in what conference? what are they ranked?
Schools with far less physical talent than LSU nonetheless have more potent, exciting offenses.
people almost always forget IT'S NOT ABOUT OFFENSE. it's about offense in relation to defense and special teams. in that regard, lsu is second to none this season except bama and maybe fla.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:31 pm to White Tiger
quote:yes. easily. it happens EVERY WEEK in college football. teams aren't motivated for la tech. they are motivated for lsu. lsu looked completely different for fla than they did for scar. they're kids.
Can someone on this board, and there are many based on their comments, who can explain how La. Tech hangs more than 1/2 a hundred on aTm, but LSU struggles to get less than half of that?
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:36 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:coaching - you might be right to an extent. however, the team has looked good at times which means they know what to do and how to do it. scheme - has already been beated to death in this thread. it's not xbox.
Or it could be terrible coaching and scheme dumbass
quote:why? they're to blame. when mett misses a wide open receiver or fails to feel the heat, he's at fault. when receivers have the ball hit them in the hands and they drop it, THAT'S THEIR ONE JOB, is to catch it.
Quit putting it on the players
quote:you honestly think teams perform the same every week? look at the difference between the towson and scar games. and you called me a dumbass. why don't you grow up instead of calling people juvenile names.
La Tech passed for almost 500 yards with far less talent
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:39 pm to bfniii
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yesterday was ALL on mett. if he hits obj and jacobs (2 for 6 on deep balls) the game would have been a runaway. a&m would have pulled out of the box and we would have run all day. mett was awful and no playcalling could have helped him. wr were open, ol blocked fine. mett screwed up royally. if JL were the qb this year we would be undefeated and we beat a&m by 20.
Agreed. Mett hits either one of those passes and we blow A&M out. He overthrew both and would've overthrown Boone too, except he laid out and saved his QB with a highlight reel catch.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:39 pm to bfniii
here's another question, if the coaching is a problem and the offense operates in a vacuum, then how is lsu one of the best programs since '05 in the toughest division of the toughest conference with the very best defenses?
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:41 pm to jdrumdog
WRs had enough separation to complete several deep plays yesterday. Mett flat out overthrew them every time.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:43 pm to bfniii
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you just named the vast majority of pass routes. you left out fly and post. so, we've tried just about everything there is to try.
First off, there are plenty more pass routes out of plenty more formations, and plenty more motions.
Stop fricking blaming the Qb, the Wr's, and the line. We have a retarded passing game. Completely retarded. Do we have just have the worst luck ever when recruiting? Do these kids just light the fricking world on fire their entire careers, then just turn bad when they get here? Open your damn eyes.
Poor protection is fixed by getting rid of the ball quicker. A QB that doesn't have a good feel for the game? He sure had a good feel for the game before he got here. Wr's that can't get open? I wonder why? Surely it can't be due to zero creativity in the passing game huh?
We do zero to stress out opposing defenses. Zero. Have you once thought the reason that our receivers are covered like blankets is due to horse shite game planning? We run what we run regardless of coverages, etc. we have no concept packages with simple reads. We have single receiver routes that naturally get covered.
No creativity.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
What frustrates people is Texas A&M has a horrible defense. Their defense might be the SEC's worst. Consider what LA Tech did to their defense. We lost to Florida because of offensive ineffectiveness. Bama has a better defense than Florida. All that said we just have to see if we can finish strong with no threat of a passing game. I guess we will see.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 1:02 pm to peopleschamp
People really convince themselves that A&M was overlooking Tech. Sorry, but even overlooking someone, you don't give up 57 unless you are bad defensively.
Just like people will continue to throw player after player under the bus year after year.
Just like people will continue to throw player after player under the bus year after year.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 1:06 pm to bfniii
I believe if la tech can score over 50 points on A&M we should not be going three and out over and over. Less than 100 yards passing on that team is terrible.
And dumbass is my new term for positigers. Y'all are too stupid to see that the problems with our passing game is on the coaching staff and not the players. Ga tech has a more complex passing game than LSU and they run the triple option. Y'all dumbasses refer to any poster that would like to see the team improve as negatigers. How fricking stupid is that?
And dumbass is my new term for positigers. Y'all are too stupid to see that the problems with our passing game is on the coaching staff and not the players. Ga tech has a more complex passing game than LSU and they run the triple option. Y'all dumbasses refer to any poster that would like to see the team improve as negatigers. How fricking stupid is that?
Posted on 10/21/12 at 1:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
It's not about the number of passes called yesterday. Since RP was dismissed the truth is LSU had trouble completing passes regardless of who the QB is, regardless of who the WRs are, regardless who the OL are, regardless who the WR coach is, regardless who the OC or QB coach is.
There is however one constant.
Very few argue seriously we should be a spread type Mike Leach O, Chip Kelly Oregon O or even a Petrino O, however wouldn't it be nice if on occasion we could be effective enough in the passing game that opposing Ds have to respect it and not put 8/9 in the box?
All of us love the power running game, wearing down Ds and mashing them. If you can do that you can win a lot of games and we have, if however we are about winning national championships you have to have a little balance and a little threat of a passing game.
At this level, if given enough film and time to prepare opposing coaches can scheme to make it difficult on any O that only poses a single or very limited threat.
There is however one constant.
Very few argue seriously we should be a spread type Mike Leach O, Chip Kelly Oregon O or even a Petrino O, however wouldn't it be nice if on occasion we could be effective enough in the passing game that opposing Ds have to respect it and not put 8/9 in the box?
All of us love the power running game, wearing down Ds and mashing them. If you can do that you can win a lot of games and we have, if however we are about winning national championships you have to have a little balance and a little threat of a passing game.
At this level, if given enough film and time to prepare opposing coaches can scheme to make it difficult on any O that only poses a single or very limited threat.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 1:39 pm to TigerDat
quote:
I believe he knows exactly what this teem and can can;t do and who can and can't do it. It looks like shite but it has worked more times than not.
exactly
Posted on 10/21/12 at 2:00 pm to Topwater Trout
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I believe if la tech can score over 50 points on A&M we should not be going three and out over and over. Less than 100 yards passing on that team is terrible.
Strangely, there's a bunch of people here who think if the offense improved the defense would automatically regress. They respond to LaTech's offense against aTm by discussing defense. Weird.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 2:01 pm to NoGeaux
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Since RP was dismissed the truth is LSU had trouble completing passes regardless of who the QB is, regardless of who the WRs are, regardless who the OL are, regardless who the WR coach is, regardless who the OC or QB coach is.
As NoGeaux points out our O-woes transcend almost every factor anyone wants to throw out. It's almost like it's an enculturated thing. We have no expectation of a fully functioning offense.
Appeals to our record are artificial. Why? Because if our O was as functional as our D it's not at all unreasonable to think we would not have lost a game since '09 vs Bama if that.
We are losing 1-2 games per year unnecessarily and missing out on championships mostly because of O sloggings.
I like winning. I like championships. I want to see LSU stomp every team every time. Those are "goods." And we would be doing that more often if our O was more functional.
So why is it so unreasonable to expect our O to function as well as our D? Can anybody answer that? Anybody?
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