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Let me guess.... The transcript is altered. The President knew this might come up weeks later so he went back and altered thousands of transcripts across the Internet. Good (whatever fake higher being you believe in). It's right there in black and white.




If you read the transcript from the rose garden it is obvious that the one time that he mentions the word terror, and not the word terrorist, he is using it in a very broad sense and is using it to describe events like the 9-11 bombing of the twin towers.
Actions speak louder than words and if he did believe that the Libyan assassination was ad act of terrorism, he wouldn't have gone to the U.N. two weeks later and continued to mention the YouTube video as the source of the demonstration and anger ( something he mentioned 6 times).
I expect that you already know this however and you just come on here to stir the pot. If not, you are just another illogical democrat hack and you need to wise up.


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What do you think he meant when he said "acts" so mant times in the speech?


He started that speech by referring to the acts od terror of 9/11/2001, not 2012. When addressing 2012, he talked about that stupid video that we all know now had nothing to do with this planned terrist attack.

Of course, you probably know this and are just trying to spin it. If so, you fail just as this administration continues to fail over and over with this.
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Does he owe you an explanation? Yes. However, the explanation is required ONLY AFTER the events and future ramifications are clearly understood.


Do you believe he owes us an explanation for why additional security requests in the days leading up to the terro from the now dead were denied?

I believe he was asked that question and did not have the dignity to even acknowledge it.


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Can we refrain from using Michelle Malkin's twitter feed as a source for hard news? And yes, I'd say the same thing if someone tried to reference Michael Moore.

Look, everyone's talking past each other on this issue. Let's review the reason we're having this discussion: Mitt Romney said it took President Obama 14 days to call the Benghazi attack an act of terror. The moderator corrected him, because it was factually untrue. Later, she maintained her position on the facts of Obama's rose garden statement, but acknowledged that there was substance to Romney's larger point about the president's confused response to the crisis.

You can argue that the president's tone was scattered in the days after the attack. There's certainly room for discussion there. But to persist with this idea that the president didn't associate the words "terror" or "terrorism" with Benghazi is pointless. He did. The day after in the rose garden and two days later in Denver. If you want to call those remarks ambiguous, it's because you have a pre-determined political objective.

Jeffery Goldberg at The Atlantic sums up my thoughts nicely:

"Does Mitt Romney actually think that Barack Obama doesn't believe that what happened in Benghazi was an act of terror? A larger question: Does anyone seriously believe that Barack Obama, a president who is at war in more Muslim countries than any president in American history, is soft on al Qaeda? And one other question: Does Barack Obama believe that Republicans somehow aren't allowed to raise serious questions about the Administration's response to the attack? Again, I wish the Republicans would frame these questions not to raise doubts about the commander-in-chief's innermost feelings about terrorism, but to ask what specific actions do we need to take, quickly, to try to prevent follow-on attacks? Whatever happened to that whole notion of politics stopping at the water's edge?"

Full article here: Jeffery Goldberg
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She's backtracking her last nights comments now (how she said Romney was right)









CNN’s Candy Crowley denied Wednesday morning that she had moved away from her own comments on Libya during the previous night’s debate.

During a back and forth on Libya Tuesday night, Mitt Romney argued that President Obama did not call the Benghazi attack an “act of terror” until 14 days after the assault. Moderator Crowley jumped in, saying, “It — he did in fact, sir.” She went on to tell Romney, “It did as well take — it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.”

On ABC’s “Good Morning America,” Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan said that Crowley had already taken back the first part of that statement. “The moderator said that she — that he was right in the main on this, that she wasn’t correct in pointing out that he made reference to this being a specific terrorist attack,” he said.

What Crowley said on CNN after the debate: Romney “was right in the main, I just think he picked the wrong word.” But on the same network Wednesday morning, she said she was in no way taking back her original interjection.

“Listen, what I said on that stage is the same thing I said to you actually last night,” she Soledad O’Brian. “[W]e got hung up on this ‘yes he said,’ ‘no I didn’t,’ ‘I said terror,’ ‘you didn’t say terror.’ … So I said, [President Obama] did say ‘acts of terror, call it an act of terror, but Governor Romney, you are perfectly right that it took weeks for them to get past the tape.’”

Asked if that was a backtrack, Crowley said, “No. The question was — we got so stuck on that ‘act of terror.’ Now, did the President say this was an act of terror? The president did not say — he said ‘these acts of terror,’ but he was in the Rose Garden to talk about Benghazi, so I don’t think that’s a leap.” (The exact phrase Obama used: “no acts of terror.”)

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Look, everyone's talking past each other on this issue


No, the issue was not even addressed. The question was why did the administration ignore the requests for additional security before the attacks. That was the question; that was the issue. The President completely ignored that question and Romney took the wrong approach by not putting it back on him.


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What do you think he meant when he said "acts" so mant times in the speech?


what do you think he meant when he mentioned the video 6 times in front of the UN?


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He owes us an explanation as to WTF Susan Rice was doing and why was she doing it. Obama's idiotic Rose Garden assertion, and yours in he behalf, only serve to make the Susan Rice episode more inexplicable.
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What type of "act" is Obama referring to in his Rose Garden speech on the Benghazi attack?
Given Susan Rices's statements juxtaposed with the President's idiotic assertions last night, there is no way to ascertain what "acts" might mean. We deserve an explanation.


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Actions speak louder than words and if he did believe that the Libyan assassination was ad act of terrorism, he wouldn't have gone to the U.N. two weeks later and continued to mention the YouTube video as the source of the demonstration and anger ( something he mentioned 6 times).

You remind me of the guy who thinks President Obama should have met with Netanyahu when he wanted to meet. "He is a govt official of Israel! The middle East is becoming uneasy!. How can you turn your back on Netanyahu?"

Republicans supporting the UN....


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It"s KICKADOUCHE VAGINA!!


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I like how the media said (don't remember who it was) that "the crowd erupted" after Candy stepped in and aided Obama, when it was just Michelle slapping her man arms together and like one or two people next to her sort of clapping awkwardly.
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Jacuzzitub


Solid post, and let me add this.

I think I know what happened. The Obama administration purposefully added the words "act of terror" towards the end of the rose garden speech. After mentions of the 911 anniversary, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Arlington cemetery. It gave him wiggle room to later say he did call it terror or he didn't, depending on how events unfolded.

Like Matt Damon in Rounders "always leave yourself an out".

If Obama had wanted to go all-in on calling it terror he had multiple opportunities earlier in the Rose garden speech when he called it an "attack" only.

Then, Romney's debate prep read the act of terror portion at the end as a reference only in a general sense. Romney operates under that assumption, and Obama and Crowley jump in it, Obama thankful on the inside for that wiggle room he had left himself 2 weeks prior.


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Look, everyone's talking past each other on this issue



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No, the issue was not even addressed. The question was why did the administration ignore the requests for additional security before the attacks. That was the question; that was the issue. The President completely ignored that question and Romney took the wrong approach by not putting it back on him


I agree with you completely.

Neither candidate wanted to talk truthfully about Benghazi. Obama, because it happened under his watch. Romney, because he'd have to answer for House Republicans who slashed the State Department's security budget last year.

From the Washington Post, October 9: LINK

"For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program, well below the $2.15 billion requested by the Obama administration. House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration’s request.) Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.

Ryan, Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security."

So... there it is. Plenty of blame to go around. The candidates didn't want to face it.
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RidiculousHype

Solid post


Thanks. You too.

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I think I know what happened. The Obama administration purposefully added the words "act of terror" towards the end of the rose garden speech. After mentions of the 911 anniversary, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Arlington cemetery. It gave him wiggle room to later say he did call it terror or he didn't, depending on how events unfolded


I think you're exactly right. The facts were still unclear. He had to exercise caution. No one was going to be perfectly pleased. That's the burden of governing, especially in the arena of foreign policy. It's why they used to say, "Politics ends at the water's edge."

Undermining a president's efforts to deal with a complex international crisis, when he has responsibilities as a leader that you don't have as a candidate, is out of bounds.


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Funding =/= answering requests for more security

According to your logic, the reason more security wasn't sent to Benghazi is a lack of funding?


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You remind me of the guy who thinks President Obama should have met with Netanyahu when he wanted to meet. "He is a govt official of Israel! The middle East is becoming uneasy!. How can you turn your back on Netanyahu?" Republicans supporting the UN....



Deflect, deflect, deflect. Nice try trying to change the subject instead of addressing the question about why Obama continued to say the YouTube video was the cause of the attack two weeks later if he believed the act was terrorism? I never claimed to support the U.N. and you know it.
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Romney, because he'd have to answer for House Republicans who slashed the State Department's security budget last year.


Again this is a false talking point being laid out by the democrats. More democrats in congress voted for this than republicans and when asked under oath the woman from the state department said having more money in the budget would of done nothing to change her stance on standing more security.


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Jacuzzitub
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Funding =/= answering requests for more security

According to your logic, the reason more security wasn't sent to Benghazi is a lack of funding?


Not at all.

I'm justing saying that Romney knew Obama would raise the issue of Congressional Republicans cutting embassy protection funds. So, he kept the attack vague and philosophical rather than policy-based. I wish he hadn't. We would be having a more productive policy discussion right now if he had, rather than parsing where Obama placed the words "terror" and "terrorism" in his rose garden speech.

Here's a good read on the decisions that led to the small footprint in Benghazi. From Reuters .

Money quote:

"The officer, Eric Nordstrom, who was based in Tripoli until about two months before the September attack, said a State Department official, Charlene Lamb, wanted to keep the number of U.S. security personnel in Benghazi "artificially low," according to a memo summarizing his comments to a congressional committee that was obtained by Reuters."

I was in the military for most of the last decade, and I worked around State Department on occasion. There are good reasons to keep a security footprint low. That's not saying it wasn't a mistake, or that no one should be held accountable. I'm just saying these things can be more complicated that we know.


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I'm justing saying that Romney knew Obama would raise the issue of Congressional Republicans cutting embassy protection funds.


I guess I will say it again.

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Cummings and his fellow liberal liars are referring specifically to the final fiscal year 2012 omnibus appropriations package that included $2.075 billion for the State Departments embassy and consulate security programs. It is a figure that is $567.5 million less than what the Obama administration’s requested. And while it is true that Republicans proposed the bill that contained these cuts, it is also true that while a total of 147 Republicans supported the bill, 149 Democrats also cast their final vote for the bill and the cuts contained in it. And Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat member of the House Oversight Committee who is blaming the cuts for the murder of 4 representatives in Benghazi, was one of them.


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