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Has the NFL lost the integrity of the game?

Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:36 pm
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
90129 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:36 pm
The value of the teams and the league itself is based first and foremost on the game being played with integrity. The outcomes are not predetermined and the rules are fairly enforced. This is not boxing or wrestling and it is why the League cracks down so hard on gambling influences on its operations.

So allowing the replacement Reffs to affect the actual integrity of the product is an abject failure on the leadership of the League.
Posted by graychef
Member since Jun 2008
30524 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:37 pm to
Just like the bounty situation, the league office underestimated the shite storm their decisions would create.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477886 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:37 pm to
well the NBA survived a ref coming out and describing all the fricked up shite they'd do ON TOP OF being involved in a scenario involving changing games for bets, so i think the NFL will be ok
Posted by MrPackSix
Lakeview/God's Country
Member since Oct 2009
8220 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:37 pm to
Goddell is destroying this game

They preach about "protecting the shield" while Goddell and his cronies are pissing all over it


Posted by tiger2012
bossier city/Los Angeles/Atlanta
Member since Sep 2006
4493 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:37 pm to
no.

The games and players are still enjoyable. I'll be watching next weekend.


Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:37 pm to
Don King says, "yes"
Posted by Hazelnut
Member since May 2011
16466 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:37 pm to
quote:

Has the NFL lost the integrity of the game?


Of course it has. anyone who thinks differently is really really dumb.
Posted by fightingtigers98
Member since Oct 2011
13303 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:38 pm to
Roger and the money hungry owners fricked the game of all integrity and majestic appeal to it.
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
72171 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:38 pm to
No dude that is the saints job.
Posted by SlidellBammer
Member since Oct 2008
2380 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:38 pm to
hell yes.. don't forget about the BS roughin the passer on the same drive and then the pass interference that never happened
Posted by Interception
Member since Nov 2008
11089 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:39 pm to
quote:

Roger and the money hungry owners fricked the game of all integrity and majestic appeal to it.




Seriously
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
39349 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:40 pm to
quote:

The outcomes are not predetermined and the rules are fairly enforced. This is not boxing or wrestling and it is why the League cracks down so hard on gambling influences on its operations.
Be sure to leave the milk and cookies for Santa.
Posted by saintsfan92612
Taiwan
Member since Oct 2008
30530 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:40 pm to
This is why I don't understand the people saying that "The NFL won't change anything because people are still watching"

They are ruining the integrity of the league. Fake refs, the whole bounty evidence mess, Goddell being a huge prick...there will be a breaking point if things continue
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
90129 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:40 pm to
Stern minimized the Donaghy situation from the first second the Feds busted him. The "lone, rogue official" BS

this is different, this is every game, league wide calling the credibility of the league into question
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
41709 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:42 pm to
quote:

Has the NFL lost the integrity of the game?


This isn't even the question that should be asked, because the answer to your question is "undeniably yes."

The correct question is "does the commissioner care?"

Thursday night games, every week, even though they are horrible. The witch hunt against the Saints. Locking out the refs. All the home games in London.

Goodell does not care about the purity of the sport. He is motivated by the money.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
90129 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:50 pm to
Goodall serves at the pleasure of the owners
If his office damages the league it is up to the owners to remove him

My point is the product on the field affects the value of the individual teams. If the integrity of the game is in question then the value of the teams is diminished. This is not reflected in the near term but it is really big picture stuff.

The real Reffs are not negotiating for right now, they are negotiating a long term contract. Which is "big picture" thinking. Tonight's game is a small factor but a glaring example of how important accurate rule enforcement is to the integrity of the league itself.

Integrity of the league = directly proportional to the value of the individual teams
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
39349 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:51 pm to
quote:

motivated by the money.
Why would anyone think the NFL would be different than any other big business?
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
90129 posts
Posted on 9/27/12 at 2:14 pm to
LINK

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At this point, it's become time for the league to put its tail between its legs, apologize profusely, and ask the locked-out referees to come back under a deal of the NFLRA's choosing. There's no reason the referees should accept the same terms they would have offered two weeks ago; after a weekend dominated by the replacements, the real referees have more leverage than they had even a week ago. In fact, the only reason the league might want to push an agreement back further is that they have no leverage whatsoever.

It's hard to imagine the replacements being quite as noticeably bad as they were this week. If you make that move now, you also put a line under it and reduce this lockout to an early-season curiosity as opposed to a season-defining fiasco. The league can point to the positive effort it made to end the lockout as opposed to letting it linger on until the union breaks. If this gets to Week 8 and remains as big a story as it has been, though, the whole scenario is different.

2012 becomes a lost season, one in which the public doesn't necessarily believe that the best teams in the league are competing in the playoffs. That kills your league's credibility. The NFL is actually lucky that this disappointment happened to the Packers, who have no central owner who would complain to the league on their behalf. What if this happened to the Cowboys and they ended up missing the playoffs by one game? Don't you think Jerry Jones would be rattling every cage he could find to threaten the league with a lawsuit?

I recently read an argument suggesting that the replacement refs don't really matter in the big picture. The evidence is that NFL ratings are still sky-high, which suggests that the fans who complain that poor refereeing is "ruining" the game are still watching. And it's true, maybe they are still watching. But as the season goes along, if the games continue to produce terrifyingly false endings like Packers-Seahawks, I'm pretty sure that's going to change. The easiest way to get people to stop watching is to make them think that the games they're watching are illegitimate and irrelevant. With the continued employment of replacement referees, that is the exact path the NFL's games are on.
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