re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

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I will be dancing naked. Did not do that for the Saints.

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Yea I think a lot of people will call Robb's death beforehand yet I don't think ANYONE will guess just how heart wrenching the Red Wedding will be

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I think episode 7 is too early for RW. I feel like Autumn Storms is when Jon climbs the wall and he and Bran's stories overlap (Queenscrown), Dany buys Unsullied, and Balon's death. It will set up the RW in episode 9 as well. Season 3 will have RW in episode 9, then aftermath in episode 10 as well as Jon's imprisonment by Slynt.

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Yeah, its the logical place to split the story. Do you think we'll have Ygrette's death before then though or will they wait til Season 4 to kill her off?

PW will be such a great scene

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Does everyone else agree that they will cut Jon's time at the Wildling camp short? I think they will have one episode with a lot of Mance conversation and then cut to the meat.

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I don't know. I think they are going to want to make Ygritte's death a very impactful moment for Jon in order for that to happen they need to show Jon in the Wildling camp. They really need to show Jon while he is in the begginning stages of his eventual understanding of the Wildling culture.

Mothafrickin bump!!!

Finally finished this whole thread and gotta thank everyone who contributed (except the Bama fan 40-50 pages back who kept insisting that Robert Strong was going to fight Kettleback and the guy 30 pages back who is absolutely blind to the JS=RT+LS theory )

I've gone through Wiki of Ice and Fire while reading this thread and learned and understand so much more about the timelines and history. Reading the pages of all the kings leading up to Aerys, along with other crucial figures like Bloodraven, Breakspear, Rheagar, Ser Arthur Dayne and Howland Reed etc was so satisfying, and reading about the battles in Roberts Rebellion like Bells and TOJ is enlightening and brings ASOIAF into such focus. It really is amazing how the fans have made this into something even more badass than what GRRM has put onto the page.

(Btw, anyone else find it interesting that WOIAF refers to Roberts "Rebellion"?? Not sure if that's endorsed by GRRM or not but seems that this SONG we are following ends with a Targ back in power if the histories will view it as such...sorry Stan )

A particular page that I thought really blew my mind, other than all the Blackfyre stuff, was Aerys' captivity at Duskendale. Really shows how that kick started this whole series of events with Aerys going into seclusion, Rhargar's mind-set going into the tourney, Tywin being on the outs, Varys entering the scene, and mothafricking Barristan Selmy going Chuck Norris on erbody. Unbelievable history there.

I also wanted to throw out a few more questions to maybe get this thread going strong again heading to page 100:

First, a simple one: Is Wyman Manderly dead?? The last time we see him, he's had a sword lash through "3 of his 4 chins" and he's on the ground in a growing pool of his own blood. That whole scene had a strange pace to me, and I couldn't get a good feel for what was happening and what the lasting repercussions would be. But this thread seems to talk about him as a given he's still alive. I hope so. Would be very anticlimactic to see such a potentially crucial and powerful Stark supporter who freed Davos go out like that.

The more difficult and intriguing question has to do with Roberts bastard that Davos sent away from Stannis and Mel. Where is he exactly and who is he with? What part will he play down the road, and will we see him in book 6??

I brought up Jamie and how great I think he is earlier in this thread, and wanted to see what yall thought about his depiction in the series. I agree completely that Jamie has proven himself to be a true knight and an honorable man despite his unfortunate bond with his sister and his attack on Bran to protect that relationship. So I think HBO did his character a true disservice by changing the scene of his escape to portray him brutally and ruthlessly murdering his own cousin. The conversation before that was great and added depth to him, but erased it all by showing him acting as Kingslayer and even worse, Kinslayer. I find that scene to be offensive and may impede the non book readers from accepting him as the knight that he truly is.

Also, I saw many people mentioning RW and PW as scenes they are looking forward to seeing on screen. Which others? I cannot fricking wait to see Barriston as Kingbreaker. Also, Frog as Dragontamer in the pyramid will be interesting to see on screen.

But how about Red Viper vs. Gregor, and especially Sandor vs. RS (I know we haven't even seen it on page yet, but goddamn this is what I am looking forward to the most ) Also, I truly did not make the Sandor=Gravedigger connection so bless all yall geeks for blowing my effing mind with that

There was also talk about the saddest scenes. Aside from the obvious ones, how brutal is it thinking about Arya throwing rocks at Nymeria to get him to run away to save her life

But the worst might be Ned killing Lady. I found that gutwrenching even on first read but looking back it is torture. It also truly makes you hate Cersei and Joffrey, and even Robert a bit for not telling Cersei to shut her hole that he wasn't going to make Ned do that. I may be making this up, but doesn't Ned realize in the book at some point that he made a huge mistake by killing the direwolf, which is the sigil of his house? I think he even thinks something like "What have I done?" Did that happen or did I imagine that?

Finally, I believe it was Cotton who mentioned Neds quote about the only time a man can be brave is when he is scared and tying that to Sam is so effing money. Sam, and possibly Sansa, is pretty much the only character who ever shows fear at all. He is without a doubt going to be the man to face down fear and show TRUE bravery at some point. Sansa too imo. No clue if he'll live or die in the process, but Sam the Slayer will be sung of for generations.

That's all I got for now, but thanks again for this epic beacon of a thread that lights the night to ward off terrors and warms the soul through the winter. (Had to throw that line in to prove I can geek out with the best of yall nerds )

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First, a simple one: Is Wyman Manderly dead??

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Nope

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The more difficult and intriguing question has to do with Roberts bastard that Davos sent away from Stannis and Mel. Where is he exactly and who is he with? What part will he play down the road, and will we see him in book 6??

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Not positive yet, I looked it as more development for Davos.

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I think HBO did his character a true disservice by changing the scene of his escape to portray him brutally and ruthlessly murdering his own cousin. The conversation before that was great and added depth to him, but erased it all by showing him acting as Kingslayer and even worse, Kinslayer. I find that scene to be offensive and may impede the non book readers from accepting him as the knight that he truly is.

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I disagree. I think the show is trying to make viewers despise Jaime even more so that when they start to realize he's a good man, they will be even more floored. They will love him even more once they see he's an honorable man.

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Which others? I

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I'm looking forward to Jon climbing the wall and Queenscrown. Old Bear's death will be good too. I fear the Gregor vs Viper showdown will be lacking, solely because the show hasn't built up the Mountain to be evil at all. By the time of the fight in the book, you're terrified of the Mountain. I don't think TV viewers feel that way. They will have to spend a lot of time in Season 3 building up his character.

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Also, I truly did not make the Sandor=Gravedigger connection so bless all yall geeks for blowing my effing mind with that

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I didn't on the first read either. I immediately reread that whole chapter and realized the significance of the Septon's side story about his "death" and it all made sense. That is one of the most ingenious things I've ever read. I was doing a happy dance once I came to the realization.

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There was also talk about the saddest scenes.

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Ygritte's death will be good if they develop her and Jon's relationship at the Wildling Stronghold. As I said earlier, I think Old Bear's death will take a lot of people by surprise.

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Finally, I believe it was Cotton who mentioned Neds quote about the only time a man can be brave is when he is scared and tying that to Sam is so effing money. Sam, and possibly Sansa, is pretty much the only character who ever shows fear at all. He is without a doubt going to be the man to face down fear and show TRUE bravery at some point. Sansa too imo. No clue if he'll live or die in the process, but Sam the Slayer will be sung of for generations.

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I know. Nice call by Cotton. I had forgotten about that quotation. It makes so much sense.

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That's all I got for now, but thanks again for this epic beacon of a thread that lights the night to ward off terrors and warms the soul through the winter. (Had to throw that line in to prove I can geek out with the best of yall nerds )

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So I think HBO did his character a true disservice by changing the scene of his escape to portray him brutally and ruthlessly murdering his own cousin. The conversation before that was great and added depth to him, but erased it all by showing him acting as Kingslayer and even worse, Kinslayer. I find that scene to be offensive and may impede the non book readers from accepting him as the knight that he truly is.

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I'm right there with you on that one. In the books, he only has one truly evil action IMO. Attempting to murder Bran. He would not care about his cousin living or dying, but would not murder him at the drop of a hat. Deep down Jamie is a good man, but having him commit more heinous acts than necessary will make it harder for watcher only fans to believe him good. Totally unnecessary move by the TV writers.

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A particular page that I thought really blew my mind, other than all the Blackfyre stuff, was Aerys' captivity at Duskendale.

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If you really want to blow your mind away... Consider that Sir Illyn Payne was responsible for the entire rebellion succeeding. If Aery's had the Lannister's support from the beginning, I don't think Rob ever wins. Instead Payne mouths off and sets off a division between the Hand and his King.

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Nice call by Cotton

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Bitch, I'm no replacement ref. Good calls are the only kind I make.